[Sajid Amit]

I had them both side by side at one point to A/B and I am like 99% sure I wouldn’t be able to tell them apart in a blind audition. if there is a difference between them to my ears it wasn’t large.

Maybe it was the tracks because the difference to my ears was both small yet night and day particularly for well-recorded tracks and tracks that token soundstage.

I have lived with both.

 

[Singaravelan]

I've scaled down immensely in my audio hobby having once owned the Traillii. I listen to songs like these and wish I had the gear I once had. The Traillii, for me, excelled at that "ethereal atmospheric beauty" so would be magical with this song/album... I had the very same desire (though not the means) to splurge on some new iems/source.

Mine is a wish to taste something unknown (my most expensive owned audio product is hd660S2). So mine is a wish for something described by others; to experience the vicarious.

Yours is a desire to re savour something you have relished before. A yearning for a lived experience.
Your bittersweetness triumphs hope you get one big old goodie back!

 

[phiemon]

You know I love both Rn6 and Mentor but Raven was one the biggest disappointments for me at CanJam. That was an early model though so there may have been changes. If not, then it has absolutely nothing in common with the balance of Rn6 or Mentor.

drftr

Ouch! When you write something like that, Raven doesn't give me much hope. Yes, still an early model, yet @Damz87 didn't sound that enthusiastic either.

 

[slumberman]

I've sold off all my dap's and iem's, but still find myself on this thread regularly. The dopamine has got to flow

Well with a chain like the one in your sig, I don’t blame you!

 

[slumberman]

So I've spent the day with the Canpur 622B. At the end of the day I think it's a great IEM that's hard to fault. Staging, timbre, resolution, imaging all well above average...though I'm not sure I'd consider it the best in one category. A more relaxed presentation than the Fei Wan with the only real niggle for me being a hair breadth too much perceived energy in the upper mids at times. Not shouty or anything but could possibly get there with jush a push via poor source or cable synergy. Vocals are imaged in the centre. Bass is quite good with nice thump, though not as rich or meaty as a good DD. Sound profile is on the whole a pretty balanced. Who is this IEM for? I can think of a number of avenues that would lead to this being a great rec. Perhaps you want something similar to Storm but with more emotion in the mids at the cost of a bit of transparency and raw technicality? Try the 622B. Love the Traillii but want something with better bass more slighty more prominent upper mids and are willing to take a slight ding in transparency and perhaps timbre? Try the 622B. Love the Rn6 but perhaps want something more cohesive/analogyue with better timbre, better mids and are willing to take a ding in the bass? Try the 622B. Etcetera. This is another way of saying that if you have and love, say, the Storm, Traillii, Rn6 or something similar, and are totally satisfied with those IEMs as they are...then I'm not sure what the Canpur 622B would really bring to the table. On the other hand for folks seeking a great "one and done" IEM that does everything at a high level and is incredibly versatile...then I feel comfortable saying this is one of the best recs on the market currently. For myself much of what I love about th 622B is already present in my Perpetua, which has a similar presentation with (to my ears) richer more satisfying timbre and much better bass...even it if comes at the expense of some technical chops. YMMV etc. (These are just my late night thoughts after a busy day...I reserve the right to change my mind following an epiphany later lol.)

Agree on all points, and share the same opinion.

I am enjoying the 622b as an easier to drive alternative to my Storm with similar(but not as precise and elaborate) portrayal , though with Perpetua in the fold I will take a few weeks of listening to decide if it’s worth keeping both or letting one of the two go.

 

[tjzurlaaa]

Can you compere it to UM Mest mkII, is it similar ?

Aura is a pretty large leap forward in almost every aspect, especially resolution / tonality ..Mest has maybe a wider soundstage and more bass quantity but the quality of it is not as good .. that being said, I still love the Mest mk2 at its price point but does not compete with Aura

 

[Crazeee]

So I've spent the day with the Canpur 622B. At the end of the day I think it's a great IEM that's hard to fault. Staging, timbre, resolution, imaging all well above average...though I'm not sure I'd consider it the best in one category. A more relaxed presentation than the Fei Wan with the only real niggle for me being a hair breadth too much perceived energy in the upper mids at times. Not shouty or anything but could possibly get there with jush a push via poor source or cable synergy. Vocals are imaged in the centre. Bass is quite good with nice thump, though not as rich or meaty as a good DD. Sound profile is on the whole a pretty balanced. Who is this IEM for? I can think of a number of avenues that would lead to this being a great rec. Perhaps you want something similar to Storm but with more emotion in the mids at the cost of a bit of transparency and raw technicality? Try the 622B. Love the Traillii but want something with better bass more slighty more prominent upper mids and are willing to take a slight ding in transparency and perhaps timbre? Try the 622B. Love the Rn6 but perhaps want something more cohesive/analogyue with better timbre, better mids and are willing to take a ding in the bass? Try the 622B. Etcetera. This is another way of saying that if you have and love, say, the Storm, Traillii, Rn6 or something similar, and are totally satisfied with those IEMs as they are...then I'm not sure what the Canpur 622B would really bring to the table. On the other hand for folks seeking a great "one and done" IEM that does everything at a high level and is incredibly versatile...then I feel comfortable saying this is one of the best recs on the market currently. For myself much of what I love about th 622B is already present in my Perpetua, which has a similar presentation with (to my ears) richer more satisfying timbre and much better bass...even it if comes at the expense of some technical chops. YMMV etc. (These are just my late night thoughts after a busy day...I reserve the right to change my mind following an epiphany later lol.)

I totally echo your points as well! I have the chance to demo 622b for 3 days few months ago and found this set is pretty solid in everything - great vocals, great dynamics and great bass suitable for a wide range of genres. Would be a pretty solid all-rounder especially suitable for those who want to stick with only 1 TOTL IEM. I was so intrigued to get one but end up chosen to get other "specialist" sets instead.

 

[tjzurlaaa]

So I've spent the day with the Canpur 622B. At the end of the day I think it's a great IEM that's hard to fault. Staging, timbre, resolution, imaging all well above average...though I'm not sure I'd consider it the best in one category. A more relaxed presentation than the Fei Wan with the only real niggle for me being a hair breadth too much perceived energy in the upper mids at times. Not shouty or anything but could possibly get there with jush a push via poor source or cable synergy. Vocals are imaged in the centre. Bass is quite good with nice thump, though not as rich or meaty as a good DD. Sound profile is on the whole a pretty balanced. Who is this IEM for? I can think of a number of avenues that would lead to this being a great rec. Perhaps you want something similar to Storm but with more emotion in the mids at the cost of a bit of transparency and raw technicality? Try the 622B. Love the Traillii but want something with better bass more slighty more prominent upper mids and are willing to take a slight ding in transparency and perhaps timbre? Try the 622B. Love the Rn6 but perhaps want something more cohesive/analogyue with better timbre, better mids and are willing to take a ding in the bass? Try the 622B. Etcetera. This is another way of saying that if you have and love, say, the Storm, Traillii, Rn6 or something similar, and are totally satisfied with those IEMs as they are...then I'm not sure what the Canpur 622B would really bring to the table. On the other hand for folks seeking a great "one and done" IEM that does everything at a high level and is incredibly versatile...then I feel comfortable saying this is one of the best recs on the market currently. For myself much of what I love about th 622B is already present in my Perpetua, which has a similar presentation with (to my ears) richer more satisfying timbre and much better bass...even it if comes at the expense of some technical chops. YMMV etc. (These are just my late night thoughts after a busy day...I reserve the right to change my mind following an epiphany later lol.)

Appreciate the impressions on this one, especially after the Hype boost it just recently got.. looking forward to trying it at canjam

 

[phiemon]

Try local files without Tidal. You might be surprised.

Most of the songs are fine. Only on certain songs at certain times. I'm wondering if that's the time domain sound off thing that @mgsu was referring to. By the way most of my files are local files. Rarely I get onto Apple music streaming

Local files are great once I know what I want. But how do I know what I want without streaming. And, no, that's not meant to be a question.

It's simple, after installing the application, you can log in to your Tidal or Qobuz account. After installation, you can use streaming applications and internal memory files, you have a very good equalizer and, in my opinion, the sound is definitely better.

It’s their respective apps, not the streams themselves. Use a 3rd party bit perfect app and it’s relatively undetectable. I’ve tested local files vs. hidef streams on same player- uapp and they are practically identical quality. Folks that can’t tell amp class, os filter, or cable changes won’t be able to tell anyway regardless. It would have to be an even greater margin.

Local still may have the slightest of slight edge in quality with hi def. But Redbook is indistinguishable.

Testing done with Qobuz. I left Tidal years ago and won’t be back even with their flac epiphany.

I agree .. I’m constantly discovering new music through streaming and if I did the same through wav or flac that money will add up quicker than a bad cigarette habit

1. Discover artists through streaming
2. Buy hi-res digital albums directly from their website (or Qobuz where applicable)
3. ???
4. Profit!


Not sure I agree with this one. Yes, albums are expensive--I dropped close to 50 bucks for 24 bit flac of both the classic and new Wonka score albums last week--and that value is absolutely subjective when you compare it to, say, the cost of a movie or video game. That said, it seems ironic, to me at least, that we've gotten to the point where no one seems to bat an eye at another $3000 msrp IEM but somehow we're still reluctant to purchase our music. I wouldn't recommend gambling by purchasing music you're not sure you'll like (although, hey, we pretty much all did that back in the CD days--not every track was a banger), but streaming to me is a means to an end, a demo so I can decide if I'm buying an album. If I like an artists few tracks enough, I'll grab all their stuff just to archive. I don't hoard much, but I absolutely hoard music.

Alternatively, and to apply broad strokes to the larger digital media consuming community: nearly everyone I know has a large-scale flatscreen at home, but almost no one I know still buys blu-rays. They either wait for streaming or illegally download. Which is fine for momentary enjoyment, but less so when you want to watch an older film that a service decides to arbitrarily remove.

All of which is to say, yes, YMMV, but also, yes, I am still bitter about Disney+ removing TRON: Legacy.

LOL the meme is right on!

Man, for me the formula is easy:

1. Discover New tracks: Spotify / Youtube

2. Like the track? Buy and Download

Local file FTW !

I'm probably going to make myself very unpopular now. If that's the case, I can deal with it. As a person who has been involved in scientific research, I have learned to deal cope with something like this. I have also learned to question everything and to make sure of things that intuitively make little sense to me like the assumption made here that music played locally sounds better than streamed.

I've compared identical tracks of various qualities (from normal FLAC to Hi-Res 192kbps) both locally and with Tidal in streaming. I bought these tracks in Qobuz and also downloaded them through Tidal in master quality (FLAC of course, and please don't ask any further questions here, it's best to google). I played these files both locally on the DX320Max and N30 and again in the corresponding Tidal apps. I have compared everything meticulously and attentively.

The result? Everything sounds exactly the same! Guys, there are absolutely zero sonic differences, really nothing at all. I have done my best to convince myself that this is not the case. But I had to give up. I'm a purist myself and I want the best possible audio quality. However, my test proved to me personally that there is no difference in sound quality between local and streamed. Everything else is part of misbelief, or rather of "audiophile esoterism" - to give myself a nice expression of a headfier.

Feel free to ask for more test details if you like, I'll be happy to answer your questions. This test can be reproduced by anyone, you don't need anything special to carry it out yourself. But in view of my personal results, I see no reason that I discuss this any further unless something in my test was not executed correctly. For me, the fact is certain.

 

[tjzurlaaa]

I had them both side by side at one point to A/B and I am like 99% sure I wouldn’t be able to tell them apart in a blind audition. if there is a difference between them to my ears it wasn’t large.

From my experience sometimes when A/Bin audio equipment like dac/amps it can be extremely difficulty to hear a difference especially when they have a similar house sound but living with them in unison for a longer period of time can really bring out the subtle differences especially in resolution and layering

 

[Virtu Fortuna]

Thanks for your review. I think it’s a little strange to pay that amount of money for a device to improve sound with IEMs (if that’s even possible or required) and then it brings noise to IEMs (at least to those with high sensitivity).

I would expect a completely clean output from such a device that’s designed for the only purpose to be used with IEMs.

In the end you then have a quirky and uncomfortable setup with several devices that need to be charged, need an additional expensive cable (sorry, interconnect) and the result is a noisy setup. This is the definition of over-engineering to me.

It might make sense for people who like to fiddle around much and use only more demanding IEMs though. But I’m not sure tbh.

I get your point indeed. However, the VE10 is extremely sensitive, it picks up noise from the RS8 as well, which is supposed to be a high-end unit. If the sound quality is fantastic like in the Tsuranagi, that is not a big issue in my view.

The amp is for desktop listening for sure. It's not that easy to carry around today's flagship DAPs either. It's certainly quirky though, the front panel has lots of inputs/outputs but once you set it up, you just lay back and enjoy it.

I want to test the silver concept version of the Tsuranagi, but this one sounds incredibly good regardless. It might not make sense to many, but I don't think everything in our hobby makes sense either

 

[MatW]

From my experience sometimes when A/Bin audio equipment like dac/amps it can be extremely difficulty to hear a difference especially when they have a similar house sound but living with them in unison for a longer period of time can really bring out the differences especially in resolution and layering

Can we go back to normal English and say ‘comparing’ instead of ‘A/B-ing’? I have even read some saying ‘A/B/C/D-ing’ lol.

 

[Alexzander]

I'm probably going to make myself very unpopular now. If that's the case, I can deal with it. As a person who has been involved in scientific research, I have learned to deal cope with something like this. I have also learned to question everything and to make sure of things that intuitively make little sense to me like the assumption made here that music played locally is better than streamed.

I've compared identical tracks of various qualities (from normal FLAC to Hi-Res 192kbps) both locally and with Tidal in streaming. I bought these tracks in Qobuz and also downloaded them through Tidal in master quality (FLAC of course, and please don't ask any further questions here, it's best to google). I played these files both locally on the DX320Max and N30 and again in the corresponding Tidal apps. I have compared everything meticulously and attentively.

The result? Everything sounds exactly the same! Guys, there are absolutely zero sonic differences, really nothing at all. I have done my best to convince myself that this is not the case. But I had to give up. I'm a purist myself and I want the best possible audio quality. However, my test proved to me personally that there is no difference in sound quality between local and streamed. Everything else is part of misbelief, or rather "audiophile esoterism" - to give myself a nice expression of a headfier.

Feel free to ask for more test details if you like, I'll be happy to answer your questions. This test can be reproduced by anyone, you don't need anything special to carry it out yourself. But in view of my personal results, I see no reason that I discuss this any further unless something in my test was not executed correctly. For me, the fact is certain.

I see a German approach here.. in a good way

I would still recommend to better test playback through different apps.
I personally hear difference between Tidal and UAPP in streaming playback of Tidal files.
And a huge one when playing local files through Neutron on its maximized settings.

Other fun thing is DSD format vs everything else (as it also imply different mastering at times).
For example all The Doors DSD releases sound more wide, spatial, holographic and detailed than their PCM versions IMO.

 

[tjzurlaaa]

I'm probably going to make myself very unpopular now. If that's the case, I can deal with it. As a person who has been involved in scientific research, I have learned to deal cope with something like this. I have also learned to question everything and to make sure of things that intuitively make little sense to me like the assumption made here that music played locally is better than streamed.

I've compared identical tracks of various qualities (from normal FLAC to Hi-Res 192kbps) both locally and with Tidal in streaming. I bought these tracks in Qobuz and also downloaded them through Tidal in master quality (FLAC of course, and please don't ask any further questions here, it's best to google). I played these files both locally on the DX320Max and N30 and again in the corresponding Tidal apps. I have compared everything meticulously and attentively.

The result? Everything sounds exactly the same! Guys, there are absolutely zero sonic differences, really nothing at all. I have done my best to convince myself that this is not the case. But I had to give up. I'm a purist myself and I want the best possible audio quality. However, my test proved to me personally that there is no difference in sound quality between local and streamed. Everything else is part of misbelief, or rather "audiophile esoterism" - to give myself a nice expression of a headfier.

Feel free to ask for more test details if you like, I'll be happy to answer your questions. This test can be reproduced by anyone, you don't need anything special to carry it out yourself. But in view of my personal results, I see no reason that I discuss this any further unless something in my test was not executed correctly. For me, the fact is certain.

I completely agree.. There is definitely a better feeling out of listening to your purchased Flac knowing you’re supporting the artist ,but when it comes to an actual sonic difference I hear absolutely nothing comparing my Local Flac library and my streaming library.. I went almost crazy trying to hear the slightest difference but there is none in my experience

 

[maegnificant]

I'm probably going to make myself very unpopular now. If that's the case, I can deal with it. As a person who has been involved in scientific research, I have learned to deal cope with something like this. I have also learned to question everything and to make sure of things that intuitively make little sense to me like the assumption made here that music played locally is better than streamed.

I've compared identical tracks of various qualities (from normal FLAC to Hi-Res 192kbps) both locally and with Tidal in streaming. I bought these tracks in Qobuz and also downloaded them through Tidal in master quality (FLAC of course, and please don't ask any further questions here, it's best to google). I played these files both locally on the DX320Max and N30 and again in the corresponding Tidal apps. I have compared everything meticulously and attentively.

The result? Everything sounds exactly the same! Guys, there are absolutely zero sonic differences, really nothing at all. I have done my best to convince myself that this is not the case. But I had to give up. I'm a purist myself and I want the best possible audio quality. However, my test proved to me personally that there is no difference in sound quality between local and streamed. Everything else is part of misbelief, or rather "audiophile esoterism" - to give myself a nice expression of a headfier.

Feel free to ask for more test details if you like, I'll be happy to answer your questions. This test can be reproduced by anyone, you don't need anything special to carry it out yourself. But in view of my personal results, I see no reason that I discuss this any further unless something in my test was not executed correctly. For me, the fact is certain.

I believe you, my issue was based on my gear and the app software after all. The great conspiracy I was experiencing was (as it often is) just based on my own stupidity.

However the discussion around the payment of artists, as well as the loss of dynamic range in recordings due to the limitations set first by the loudness war times and now the dominance of music streaming still remains:

https://www.sonible.com/blog/normalization-and-streaming-services/

https://dr.loudness-war.info/