ericp10
Sits up all night comparing IEMs.
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Should have the IM70 by Tuesday.
Hmmmm? I agree everything you stated about the ASG-2 but more refined (unless we have different definition about what refined mean). Don't get me wrong, you see where I rank the AS-2/ASG-2 in my signature, but I can't say it's more refined. Nevertheless, a great score for your ears sir.
Only listened to them for like a hour or two last night and no ear time today, BUT i can already say these sound better/ more refined than the m200s/ gr07 BEs/ ATH CKS100s/ VSD1 LEs, BUT how much more refined...............
TO BE CONTINUED......
I'm currently in the final stages of tip rolling. I have narrowed it down to the Dn1000 or LG Qb2 tips. Medium for deep insertion and large for shallow insertion. I've also been applying foam ala Sony hybrids isolating tips. I managed to transfer the foam to the dunu and LG tips. Will give the final verdict soon!
Should have the IM70 by Tuesday.
Should have the IM70 by Tuesday.
As the bargainhunter/cheapskate here, it occurs to me that you have the AS-2 and the Cardas as equal in SQ...pricing it out, it would actually make the Cardas a sort of bargain. Could you compare them?
As the bargainhunter/cheapskate here, it occurs to me that you have the AS-2 and the Cardas as equal in SQ...pricing it out, it would actually make the Cardas a sort of bargain. Could you compare them?
As the bargainhunter/cheapskate here, it occurs to me that you have the AS-2 and the Cardas as equal in SQ...pricing it out, it would actually make the Cardas a sort of bargain. Could you compare them?
I will have to listen to both over the weekend to give any decent detailed comparison. They don't sound alike at all, but they do have similar characteristics:
- both are leaning more toward the warm spectrum
- both are highly 3-Dimensional in sound (great height and width)
- Great imaging and separation of instruments in both
The Cardas is constantly changing with burn-in, more so than any other iem I've ever owned. The Cardas seems to make most of my recordings have a "live sound," even studio recordings. But you will get more treble extension with the ASG-2 (seems to be a bit more smoothed out in the Cardas, although it's there). I think you hear details in the mids a little bit more in the Cardas, but the ASG-2 may have the more cohesive sound (there's a lot of black space between instruments with the Cardas). That's all I have for you right now.
I will have to listen to both over the weekend to give any decent detailed comparison. They don't sound alike at all, but they do have similar characteristics:
- both are leaning more toward the warm spectrum
- both are highly 3-Dimensional in sound (great height and width)
- Great imaging and separation of instruments in both
The Cardas is constantly changing with burn-in, more so than any other iem I've ever owned. The Cardas seems to make most of my recordings have a "live sound," even studio recordings. But you will get more treble extension with the ASG-2 (seems to be a bit more smoothed out in the Cardas, although it's there). I think you hear details in the mids a little bit more in the Cardas, but the ASG-2 may have the more cohesive sound (there's a lot of black space between instruments with the Cardas). That's all I have for you right now.
Cardas EM5813 Ear SpeakersAs far as I know, this iem has been in development for quite some time and, after numerous delays, it's finally been released to the market.
There have been some very mixed impressions about it from members here, and from other audio sites I sometimes browse. As such, I'm pretty grateful for the opportunity to hear them myself.
Firstly, this is a rather impressive looking phone. The shell is of a brassy colour not very dissimilar to the Piano Forte VIII; the cable is quite thick and inspires a good deal of confidence in the build quality, and the strain reliefs look capable enough to handle the load of the cable. All is fine and dandy...until you place them in your ears for the first time. I have pretty bad driver flex on this pair upon every single insertion attempt. I don't know if this has killed IEMs over time, but it's certainly not pleasant to experience. The second issue comes from the cable. I haven't encountered one this unwieldy since the original Tralucent silver cable. It's thick, heavy, and very microphonic. I found myself sitting still as a rock when listening to the EM5813 just to avoid any sudden movements that would make the cable growl at me. I tried to listen to it yesterday while folding laundry, but I quickly gave up and reached for my ASG-2. Overall, it's a fine looking iem, but incredibly impractical.
The Cardas cable (on the right) compared to the stock CIEM cable used by the ASG-2 and FA-4E XB.
The Y-splits.
The ASG-2's earpieces feel almost half the weight of the Cardas'
SO SHINY AND PRETTY!!!
My initial impressions were not exactly favorable, so it was recommended that I let them burn in some more. I've left them on my clip+ all weekend, and switched to the Auvio large tips.
The overall signature is what I'd describe as very warm and sweet. The focus here is obviously in the mid-bass and lower mids. The treble, while extended with good timbre, is quite recessed. What this leads to is a sound that I consider overly dark. The biggest thing I can't get over is a sort of fuzz with vocals that sets off my claustrophobia after a while. The actual soundstage is not small, but that quality in the vocals and overall sound signature reminds me of a room like this:
This tuning makes me not want to listen to most of my library. Combine this with the excess mid-bass, and I don't think I'd keep these around very long if they were mine. *Now, in the sake of fairness I want to point out that a lot of this might be due to the driver flex. However, I've tried to eliminate this possibility by using my sawed off complys and TS-500, both yielding the same type of sound. Maybe the Ear Mirrors don't exactly mirror my own ears.
Compared to the ASG-2:
Test Tracks and Gear:
iPod Classic 6th Gen -> Tralucent T1. This was my primary setup, but I confirmed my findings with the iPhone 4 and my desktop setup.
Tracks:
For Reasons Unknown - The Killers
Your Love - The Outfield
Move Your Body - Nina Sky
Only Love - Ben Howard
Valerie - Amy Winehouse (Back to Black version)
I started off with the Amy Winehouse song because I thought it would play most to the Cardas' strengths....and I was right. Something about Amy's voice song works really well here, and the electric guitar to the left is just having a grand old time. Amy's vocals are stark, yet smooth, but the background vocals exhibit the fuzz I mentioned earlier. I switch the ASG-2 and start laughing. The vocal intimacy is still there, but her voice is so much more clear, and the background vocals are much more defined and separated. There's also less mid-bass on the ASG-2, making the sub-bass tones of the guitar more articulated and less masked. The electric guitar has a taller soundstage to play around in. I can hear tiny inflections that are simply absent in the EM5813.
I hit next on the playlist, and Your Love starts playing. It's one of my favorite songs overall, and the G2 simply makes it come alive. Switching to the Cardas, the soundstage collapses in due to the extra warmth, and the fuzz is there again. One of my favorite parts of the song is around 1:30, where the toms on the drum set kick in. You can follow them from the right to the left side of the sound field. The ASG-2's extra soundstage height help with the imaging, and the extra treble presence gives better attack to the impact.
I use Move Your Body for bass performance sometimes and, with the ASG-2 as the baseline, the warmer nature of the EM5813 works better in its favor here. Though the ASG-2 has greater detail, separation, etc., the EM5813's more laid back treble allows for higher volumes than the ASG-2 can manage without sibilance. That adds up to more headroom for the bass. The EM5813 sounds more fun on this track.
Last was Ben Howard's Only Love. Again, the EM5813's midrange haze was a distraction. However, the extra warmth and intimacy was nice. Then I remembered I could open my ASG-2's bass port to achieve the same level of warmth without that haze. I also think I hear a bit of shoutiness in the Cardas. I'm also noticing some timbre issues due to its tonality, in that some instrument harmonics are screwy or missing due to the way the FR is skewed.
I really don't know what to say about the EM5813 as a package. It has its moments of brilliance, but the bad far outweighs the good to my ears. I have a feeling that the metal housing may have something to do with the way it sounds, as it has a (very small) trace of the Piano Forte's overall character (the tuning is drastically different though). I don't see it as a practical package, either in sonics or ergonomics.
Thanks, nice breakdown, I'd guess the Cardas is a bit more exciting, "in your face" from the way you describe them, a bit like the AT 1K, no? ASG sounds more in the analytical/detail camp by comparison (these are rough descriptions, but my attempt to characterize them). I usually have to listen head to head to get a good, detailed feel for exact differences, thanks again, later
Edit- NVM I see that Chancellor Eke has already descended on this joint
I received the Cardas and FA-4 today.
The cardas cable isn't as bad as I thought after all the wailing and gnashing of teeth I've read over it. It is annoying though below the Y split. The pouch is hilarious. It's like trying to squeeze a fat man into an XS wife beater. You can make it fit but why?
Regarding sound: the bass is very nice- bold and rich. The middle and lower mid are nice too but then it all goes downhill after that... literally. Upper mid sounds pretty scooped out and I'm left wondering, "where the treble at?" If these had any kind of upper mid and treble presence, they might be very pleasing. As it stands now, only bass heads need apply. Now off to create an EQ.