JayDee
Member of the Trade: Sonicweld
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....my pleasure.
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I already commented on the measurements above. I will comment in more detail about the lack of PCB pictures in an upcoming post, but there are some comments below about that as well.
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And that's your prerogative and I respect it, but I would love to have you lay bare the logic behind the ugly = better concept. By implication, the corollary to this is that any of the designers in the field who have produced great looking products (and there are many) are either untalented oafs or are engaged in some kind of nefarious and widespread plot to defraud the audio world. And I find that assumption more than a little disturbing. But I've addressed the whole issue of aesthetics in my first post, so if you haven't read that I'd encourage you to, if for no other reason than to be acquainted with an alternative perspective.
I must say I'm rather amazed that no one seems to have at least considered the possibility that a lousy housing might house a lousy design. I've certainly seen that occur many times, and not just in the audio world.
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Sure, everyone does, but where do you draw the line? Do you insist on a detailed bill of materials with every device you buy? If you saw a picture of the internals, how would you judge exactly what you were buying, or whether it represented a good value? I'll give you an example. I can buy a SMD resistor in an 0402 (really tiny) package in a 5% tolerance or a .01% tolerance. The 5% part costs about $.005 in quantity, whereas the .01% could easily be $10. And they look EXACTLY THE SAME. So again, I ask - how would you judge the quality and value from a photograph?
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At no time have I claimed to be using any "magic" parts. What I'm offering isn't voodoo; it's just good engineering. Or, at least I think it is, but I'm learning all the time.
Similarly, I've never claimed to be using parts no one else has. A few of them might be a bit hard to find, but you or anyone else could buy anything inside the Diverter, with the exception of the circuit board of course... although a price might be negotiated even for that.
[Dr. Evil] - One BILLION dollars!
Finally, yes, I do think a well-designed six layer board represents a lot of money, and is worth charging for. I don't charge inordinately for it, but I'm certainly going to try to amortize the considerable design and prototyping costs.
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Sorry, I'm just not going there.
Originally Posted by komi /img/forum/go_quote.gif Thanx for nice class about adventage of multilayer design |
....my pleasure.
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Originally Posted by komi /img/forum/go_quote.gif but here is my questions ... Why no pic of this PCB with parts and - mesurements ... |
I already commented on the measurements above. I will comment in more detail about the lack of PCB pictures in an upcoming post, but there are some comments below about that as well.
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Originally Posted by komi /img/forum/go_quote.gif I am not buying anything nice looking, specialy not audio ... |
And that's your prerogative and I respect it, but I would love to have you lay bare the logic behind the ugly = better concept. By implication, the corollary to this is that any of the designers in the field who have produced great looking products (and there are many) are either untalented oafs or are engaged in some kind of nefarious and widespread plot to defraud the audio world. And I find that assumption more than a little disturbing. But I've addressed the whole issue of aesthetics in my first post, so if you haven't read that I'd encourage you to, if for no other reason than to be acquainted with an alternative perspective.
I must say I'm rather amazed that no one seems to have at least considered the possibility that a lousy housing might house a lousy design. I've certainly seen that occur many times, and not just in the audio world.
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Originally Posted by komi /img/forum/go_quote.gif I want to know what i am buying ... |
Sure, everyone does, but where do you draw the line? Do you insist on a detailed bill of materials with every device you buy? If you saw a picture of the internals, how would you judge exactly what you were buying, or whether it represented a good value? I'll give you an example. I can buy a SMD resistor in an 0402 (really tiny) package in a 5% tolerance or a .01% tolerance. The 5% part costs about $.005 in quantity, whereas the .01% could easily be $10. And they look EXACTLY THE SAME. So again, I ask - how would you judge the quality and value from a photograph?
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Originally Posted by komi /img/forum/go_quote.gif You dont have some "magic" parts inside no one else have - or 6 layes PCB is worth that money ? |
At no time have I claimed to be using any "magic" parts. What I'm offering isn't voodoo; it's just good engineering. Or, at least I think it is, but I'm learning all the time.
Similarly, I've never claimed to be using parts no one else has. A few of them might be a bit hard to find, but you or anyone else could buy anything inside the Diverter, with the exception of the circuit board of course... although a price might be negotiated even for that.
[Dr. Evil] - One BILLION dollars!
Finally, yes, I do think a well-designed six layer board represents a lot of money, and is worth charging for. I don't charge inordinately for it, but I'm certainly going to try to amortize the considerable design and prototyping costs.
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Originally Posted by komi /img/forum/go_quote.gif Pics please ... |
Sorry, I'm just not going there.