[Kerouac]

  You can say as you will in regards to subjective sound quality, but implying that the use of Noble products are not "outstanding for general ear health," compared to products with ADEL tech is unsubstantiated, and promulgating such a notion should be considered slander.
 
(So sayeth the Audiologist, Doctorate in Hearing Science)
 

 
 

 
Well, first of all this reply (as a Zeus XR owner) ain't about attacking Noble (c)iems as I'm confinced that they will (also) sound very good. Especially after what I've read about the Encore and Katana. Signature preference plays a big role on this totl level for sure.
 
But regarding the ADEL subject: I had the chance to try an (1964 Audio) iem with ADEL tech from another HF member, that visited my house some days ago. My Zeus XR is a non ADEL, which choice was mainly based on budget, but I was still curious about the difference.
 
Now then, the difference in pressure on the eardrum was quite big/noticeable (almost completely disappeared with the ADEL iem). Although I'm not an 'Audiologist, Doctorate in Hearing Science', that build up pressure over a long period on the eardum just can't be a good thing, can it?

 

[FullCircle]

 


Well, first of all this reply (as a Zeus XR owner) ain't about attacking Noble (c)iems as I'm confinced that they will (also) sound very good. Especially after what I've read about the Encore and Katana. Signature preference plays a big role on this totl level for sure.


 


But regarding the ADEL subject: I had the chance to try an (1964 Audio) iem with ADEL from another HF member, that visited my house some days ago. My Zeus XR is a non ADEL, which choice was mainly based on budget, but I was still curious about the difference.


 


Now then, the difference in pressure on the eardrum was quite big/noticeable (almost completely disappeared with the ADEL iem). Although I'm not an 'Audiologist, Doctorate in Hearing Science', but that build up pressure over a long period on the eardum just can't be a good thing, can it?

If the spl is high, turn down the source...


Simply talking can trigger the acoustic reflex. I have yet to meet anyone that has decided to quit talking for the sake of hearing loss prevention.

 

[Kerouac]

If the spl is high, turn down the source...

Simply talking can trigger the acoustic reflex. I have yet to meet anyone that has decided to quit talking for the sake of hearing loss prevention.

 
Thanks for the reply...and I just can't figure out why I hadn't thought of that solution myself

So, please excuse my ignorance on the eardrum prevention matter.
 
I just simply worry too much I guess. I also worried about the climate before, but since the new President of the US said that there's nothing to worry about, I sleep so much better these days.
 
Now back to listening and enjoying that sweet music

 

[ranfan]

so much sarcasm recently..

 

[pfurey89]

All the talk about tia not being good is mind blowing to me. Yea, it's bass heavy. But it doesnt muddy the sound at all. It's very good.

I'd say,

Tia Forte
U18
Encore

In that order for me. Are the 18s and Tia worth 2x an Encore? Likely not.

 

[Whazzzup]

More excuses on encore availability and delivery are also a distraction I'm sure

 

[pfurey89]

You guys are harsh. Noble are good people.

I love and own IEMs with ADEL, but Encores soundstage is just as good. Who knows about my hearing health.

 

[ScottFree]

While I am certainly interested in ADEL tech in terms of the benefits it brings turning down the volume is more of a universal solution. Higher volume = more bass produced

 

[ScottFree]

More excuses on encore availability and delivery are also a distraction I'm sure

Proprietary BA drivers don't grown on trees you know. By their nature they have to be custom made I assume which means you are more at the mercy of the manufacturer unlike standard BA drivers which are more widely available commercially and I assume in far greater quantities.


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[NaiveSound]

While I am certainly interested in ADEL tech in terms of the benefits it brings turning down the volume is more of a universal solution. Higher volume = more bass produced

ADEL makes you listen to a lower volume while still hearing all details because the volume increase happens due to the acoustic/stapedius reflex.

So if you don't have pneumatic pressure, the acoustic/stapedius reflex doesn't get Triggered your not forced to increase volume to hear the same amount of power and details you did 20 mins ago.

ADEL preserves hearing, there is no question about it. I don't need an online degree to learn that either

 

[FullCircle]

More excuses on encore availability and delivery are also a distraction I'm sure

 
I haven't offered any excuse in regards to the encore availability, all I have stated is that they are on their way.   In fact, to date, no one has asked me (PM ect) when the Encore will be in stock again. Historically speaking, Noble has done a fairly good job in getting products on the shelf as fast as possible.  Sorry if we have let you down, it is difficult to predict product demand when you release new products. We are fallible, and when you are small company, I would guess the propensity for ordering modest quantities at product launches would be higher.
 

Proprietary BA drivers don't grown on trees you know. By their nature they have to be custom made I assume which means you are more at the mercy of the manufacturer unlike standard BA drivers which are more widely available and I assume in greater quantities.

 
The end of the year is high sales time for Knowles. I am sure gets hammered during this time of the year.  Proprietary drivers are no kept in stock by Knowles, as they build on their customer demands. So every time we order, they have to start from zero.   
 
 
Cheers

 

[FullCircle]

I can not directly comment on what ADEL can or can not do.  (Forum rules)
 
All I am saying is, 
 

 
 implying that the use of Noble products are not "outstanding for general ear health," compared to products with ADEL tech is unsubstantiated, and promulgating such a notion should be considered slander.

 
 Dr. Mead Killion did some research years ago, showing that canal style earphones that isolate back ground noise, protect hearing, as ear phone users would turn up their ear buds to compensate/over ride/mask over, back ground noise.
 
 
http://www.etymotic.com/about-us/interview-with-mead
 
 
This is not to say, isolation earphones offer better protection than ADEL.  This is only to say, canal style earphones do in fact, offer some hearing protection, by their nature of design.   

 

[istfleur]

ADEL makes you listen to a lower volume while still hearing all details because the volume increase happens due to the acoustic/stapedius reflex.

So if you don't have pneumatic pressure, the acoustic/stapedius reflex doesn't get Triggered your not forced to increase volume to hear the same amount of power and details you did 20 mins ago.

ADEL preserves hearing, there is no question about it. I don't need an online degree to learn that either

Your comment regarding pneumatic pressure and stapeduis reflex is so wrong. The reflex is triggered by the sound intensity, not pneumatic pressure. So if you have your Adel and turn the volume all the way up, you'll trigger the reflex anyway.

 

[ChrisSC]

Question for Kaiser Encore owners: the bass- does it sound like the typical bass that BAs make? I've got the itch for something new, but have been disappointed in balanced armature bass in the past with my es5s, and since have stuck to IEMs that utilize dynamic drivers.

 

[FullCircle]

  Question for Kaiser Encore owners: the bass- does it sound like the typical bass that BAs make? I've got the itch for something new, but have been disappointed in balanced armature bass in the past with my es5s, and since have stuck to IEMs that utilize dynamic drivers.

 
 
 
I will not comment in regards to "typical bass" as that is a moving target.  (hard to define what "typical" is)
 
 
That being said, the ES5 has what appears to be (looking at google images) 1 CI driver per side for the bass.   
 
The CI is Knowles largest bass driver, the bigger the driver, the larger the diaphragm used within the driver.  The larger the diaphragm the more air displacement is created. The greater displacement offers up the bass "slam" a lot of folks desire to have.  (6 inch dynamic cone vs 12 inch dynamic cone, the six inch just does not "slam" like a 12)
 
Any how, the Encore has 2 CI drivers per side, rather than one.   
 
(The Katana has 1 CI driver per side)
 
 
Does that = typical?    Hard to say really, as I said earlier, "typical" is hard to define.