wackyterbacky
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This is my first post. I have learned quite a bit from reading the various forums, and I am giving a little in return.
I will get some diagrams posted, but for now just wanted to document this idea. Pictures of the Juli@ can be found on http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/...lia/index.html and the I2S pinout on http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...?postid=179778
I upgraded to a used Perpetual P-3A and wanted to investigate an I2S connection. I use foobar2000 and Kernel Streaming and flac files.
The Juli@ has an interesting design - there are two circuit boards connected by dual in line headers ( a 20 pin designated J3 and a 10 pin designated J7). The "digital" board has the PCI connection and the Envy-24 HT ( 1724 ) controller chip. The analog board has an AK4358 DAC and an AKM ADC chip as well. The "analog" board can be
rotated 180 degrees to change from RCA unbalanced connectors to Balanced 1/4" Phono plugs. Therefore there are matching connectors on opposite sides of the analog board.
I downloaded the datasheets for the Envy and the AKM DAC. The 1724 is capable of multichannel I2S outputs, and the AK4358 has multiple I2S inputs. I figured the I2S interface was going through the pin headers from digital to analog boards.
I took a multimeter and buzzed out the connectors and the chips, and found the following signals:
J3 ( 20 pin header )
J3 Pin 1 -> 1724 PSDOUT[0] ( I2S data out) -> AK4358 SDTI1 (I2S data in)
J3 Pin 5 -> 1724 PSYNC ( I2S Word Clock ) -> AK4358 LRCK (I2S
Left/Right Word clock)
J3 Pin 7 -> 1724 PBCLK ( I2S bit clock out ) -> AK4358 BICK ( I2S bit clock in )
J3 Pin 9 - > Xilinx on the digital board -> AK4358 MCLK ( I2S Master Clock in )
J7 ( 10 pin header )
J7 Pin 5 -> Digital VSS ( Actually several pins on J7 are VSS )
Here I had all the I2S signals ( Except DEEM as in Audio alchemy, but that does not exist on the Juli@ board )
Since there are two sets of headers, one set is on the top edge of the analog board, and has nothing plugged into it. I took an old keyboard cable with a 6 pin mini-Din connector and soldered the loose wire ends to wire wrap type pins, and plugged them into the signals listed above.
The cable is shielded and the shield drain wire is connected to the mini-din connector shroud.
I simply broke off the sixth pin inside the mini-din to yield a 5 pin mini-din, and connected it up.
Believe it or not, this works perfectly with the P-3A DAC. I get I2S lock and can drive it with 16/44 up to 24/96 signals. It sounds great on my system, much better than the spdif connection. The only weirdness is the P-3A phase invert light is on all the time. I may send an email to
Perpetual Tech and see what they say.
If you have a Juli@, you know there are three installed devices - Ch12, Ch34 and Ch1234. Ch12 is the analog out, Ch34 is the spdif out and Ch1234 is supposed to be both out. You have to use Ch12 or Ch1234 for my idea to work, since you are tapping the signals going to the onboard DAC. I tried to use Ch1234 and compare I2S with spdif but Juli@ is not cooperating.
Now, I admit this is cheap and dirty. I should use better quality cable, connectors and probably buffer the signals with a 74LS244 or something. But it works and I am digging it for now.
I may do a version 2 with active drivers and terminated 50 ohm mini-coax cable for each signal, as described somewhere by elso kwak. I lost the link.
When I have time I will post pictures, scope tracings, etc . . .
I will get some diagrams posted, but for now just wanted to document this idea. Pictures of the Juli@ can be found on http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/...lia/index.html and the I2S pinout on http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...?postid=179778
I upgraded to a used Perpetual P-3A and wanted to investigate an I2S connection. I use foobar2000 and Kernel Streaming and flac files.
The Juli@ has an interesting design - there are two circuit boards connected by dual in line headers ( a 20 pin designated J3 and a 10 pin designated J7). The "digital" board has the PCI connection and the Envy-24 HT ( 1724 ) controller chip. The analog board has an AK4358 DAC and an AKM ADC chip as well. The "analog" board can be
rotated 180 degrees to change from RCA unbalanced connectors to Balanced 1/4" Phono plugs. Therefore there are matching connectors on opposite sides of the analog board.
I downloaded the datasheets for the Envy and the AKM DAC. The 1724 is capable of multichannel I2S outputs, and the AK4358 has multiple I2S inputs. I figured the I2S interface was going through the pin headers from digital to analog boards.
I took a multimeter and buzzed out the connectors and the chips, and found the following signals:
J3 ( 20 pin header )
J3 Pin 1 -> 1724 PSDOUT[0] ( I2S data out) -> AK4358 SDTI1 (I2S data in)
J3 Pin 5 -> 1724 PSYNC ( I2S Word Clock ) -> AK4358 LRCK (I2S
Left/Right Word clock)
J3 Pin 7 -> 1724 PBCLK ( I2S bit clock out ) -> AK4358 BICK ( I2S bit clock in )
J3 Pin 9 - > Xilinx on the digital board -> AK4358 MCLK ( I2S Master Clock in )
J7 ( 10 pin header )
J7 Pin 5 -> Digital VSS ( Actually several pins on J7 are VSS )
Here I had all the I2S signals ( Except DEEM as in Audio alchemy, but that does not exist on the Juli@ board )
Since there are two sets of headers, one set is on the top edge of the analog board, and has nothing plugged into it. I took an old keyboard cable with a 6 pin mini-Din connector and soldered the loose wire ends to wire wrap type pins, and plugged them into the signals listed above.
The cable is shielded and the shield drain wire is connected to the mini-din connector shroud.
I simply broke off the sixth pin inside the mini-din to yield a 5 pin mini-din, and connected it up.
Believe it or not, this works perfectly with the P-3A DAC. I get I2S lock and can drive it with 16/44 up to 24/96 signals. It sounds great on my system, much better than the spdif connection. The only weirdness is the P-3A phase invert light is on all the time. I may send an email to
Perpetual Tech and see what they say.
If you have a Juli@, you know there are three installed devices - Ch12, Ch34 and Ch1234. Ch12 is the analog out, Ch34 is the spdif out and Ch1234 is supposed to be both out. You have to use Ch12 or Ch1234 for my idea to work, since you are tapping the signals going to the onboard DAC. I tried to use Ch1234 and compare I2S with spdif but Juli@ is not cooperating.
Now, I admit this is cheap and dirty. I should use better quality cable, connectors and probably buffer the signals with a 74LS244 or something. But it works and I am digging it for now.
I may do a version 2 with active drivers and terminated 50 ohm mini-coax cable for each signal, as described somewhere by elso kwak. I lost the link.
When I have time I will post pictures, scope tracings, etc . . .