Cayin N5 DAP - Product Info (Post #2), Resources (Post #3) and Discussion
Feb 18, 2016 at 2:54 AM Post #1,531 of 2,546
Yes! Another N5 + Zen 2.0 fan :L3000:

I know Andykong questioned whether N5 can power Zen 2.0 effectively, but I'd say it's a matter of priorities. Of course it won't sound as good as desktop gear, but it still sounds damn good and is much easier to move around with!
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Absolutely right buddy, I find it needs hi-gain and about 35 on volume dial. :guitar: :beers:
 
Feb 22, 2016 at 8:09 AM Post #1,535 of 2,546
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"The digital capability of this chipset is nothing short from impressive and can natively decode PCM (upto 24bits/192kHz) and DSD (DSD64 and DSD128) at a very high specification, and it will read SACD ISO directly and extracted into individual track internally. We want to make sure N5 can handle all sorts of digital music format and standard to the best possible level at this form factor."
 
My n5 is unable to play SACD ISO files. When i drag and drop the file into the player and open the folder, i can see the tracks sorted individually. but i am unable to play the files as the error prompts " unable to recognise the system file" or something
 
I managed to play DSF amd DFF files extracted from the ISO file using iso2dsd though
 
Am i doing something wrong ? any help is appreciated, thanks !
 
Feb 23, 2016 at 8:37 AM Post #1,536 of 2,546
QP1R vs N5 vs N6: A Brief Comparison
 
There have already been lots of reviews on the N6 and N5, so in this comparison I focus on the differences between the DAPs.
 
@Andykong from Cayin contacted me back in Sept. last year to see if I was interested in reviewing their DAPs. I said why not but due to my travel schedule I didn't get the units until 3 months later. I am not affiliated with Cayin in any way.
 
Note: The QP1R is my own.
 
General
 
 

Questyle QP1R: M.S.R.P. USD $899
 
Cayin N5: USD $349 at Amazon
 
Cayin N6: USD $599 at Amazon
 
Build
All three have very high quality all-metal construction and are fairly bulky (especially the N6). It's nice to see such build on the N5 its price point: for USD $349 (Amazon) or RMB 2099 (Taobao) you get a full metal housing and a carbon fiber back panel. The QP1R has Gorillas Glass on the front and back.
 
Firmware
These DAPs have very similar functionality as well as shortcomings such as the 5,800 (*) songs limit for tag browsing (since they all share the same codebase of the Ingenic SoC.) If you're like me who only uses folder browsing then you'll be fine with any of them. Sadly there is no gapless playback support on the Cayin DAPs. (EDIT: Seems like the N5 supports Gapless in later firmware)
 
(*) With the 1.0.5 firmware the limit has been raised to 9,999 on the QP1R.
 
Feature Comparison
 
 N5N6QP1R
Volume ControlButtonsButtons+scroll wheelAK-style rotary decoder
DAC ChipAK4490EQPCM1792CS4398
No. of Card Slots212
Line outShared with PODedicatedDedicated, variable voltage
USB DACYes(+)Yes(+)No
USB3 File Transfer YesNoNo
Balanced OutputYesNoNo
Digital OutputCoaxialCoaxialOptical
No. of Gain Levels223
 


(+) Didn't work with my iPhone 6, got "This accessory requires too much power". I'd like to see this fixed on the next-generation Cayin players.
 
 
Sound
 
Gear used: I used my UERM and NT6-Pro CIEMs for most of the listening, and a FIIO HS2 for switching quickly between DAPs. I tried my best to match volume by ear (didn't have a SPL meter.)
 
I didn't test the 2.5mm balanced out on the N5 since it's too noisy with my earphones.
 
QP1R vs N6 
Both are neutral and after volume matching, I actually had trouble telling them apart. These two are not only close in signature but also in performance.  I would say the QP1R has little bass depth, slightly better clarity and a tad wider soundstage. TBH I doubt I'd be able to tell them apart in a blind test.
 
N5 vs N6/QP1R
The N5 has smoother and a slightly warmer but still kind of neutral tonality. Soundstage is smaller giving it a more intimate feeling. Detail level is actually quite good but cannot match the other two, which is especially apparent with well-recorded classical music. Also the N5 has slightly more mid-bass to my ears giving music a more lively feeling.
 
Power
The QP1R is pretty good at driving planars due to its current mode amplification.  I once tried the HE560 and HE1000 at a audio shop; the HE560 sounded great and HE1000 wasn't bad at all, though I had to max out the volume at high gain. Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to try full-size headphones on the N5 and N6.
 
 
Summary
 
I'm impressed by what the N5 and N6 can do in the SQ department at their price points and I'd certainly pick the N6 over the QP1R if it were a little smaller, had a more modern design and dual card slots. If you are mostly into pop or rock music then the N5 is a very good choice, too.
 
I'd like to thank @Andykong of Cayin for loaning me their DAPs. I had the pleasure of meeting Andy in person and learned a great deal about DAP development from him. I am very excited for what Cayin brings to the table in 2016!
 
Feb 23, 2016 at 3:24 PM Post #1,539 of 2,546
:grinning: No brainer for $30. What I've been wondering is this Lao Zhong of LZ the same genius as Mr. Z of Musicmaker?



Very interesting.



:grinning::grinning: TWIN




The plot thickens…


 


What's the story with your avatar? Kinda weird - I like it


Why does this post keep showing up in random threads???
 
Feb 23, 2016 at 3:39 PM Post #1,540 of 2,546
Why does this post keep showing up in random threads???


Twins gone viral
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Feb 23, 2016 at 6:08 PM Post #1,541 of 2,546
Dunno, but I've been getting some wiggy crap happening with Chrome. Always trying to submit a blank reply when I check a thread. Bunch of other crap that says its time for Firefox (at least the LastPass auto-login works).
 
Feb 23, 2016 at 9:17 PM Post #1,542 of 2,546
  @pekingduck, nice review and comparison.    
 
You mention that the Cayin DAPs don't support gapless playback.  I have the N5 and under the playback settings, Gapless is an option.  Maybe different firmware levels??? I am running 3.0.  
 
Thanks,
Z

IT could be, since I did not upgrade the firmware to the latest... I'll edit the comparison to reflect that. Thanks!
 
Feb 24, 2016 at 1:41 AM Post #1,543 of 2,546
  As extracted from page 1..
 
"The digital capability of this chipset is nothing short from impressive and can natively decode PCM (upto 24bits/192kHz) and DSD (DSD64 and DSD128) at a very high specification, and it will read SACD ISO directly and extracted into individual track internally. We want to make sure N5 can handle all sorts of digital music format and standard to the best possible level at this form factor."
 
My n5 is unable to play SACD ISO files. When i drag and drop the file into the player and open the folder, i can see the tracks sorted individually. but i am unable to play the files as the error prompts " unable to recognise the system file" or something
 
I managed to play DSF amd DFF files extracted from the ISO file using iso2dsd though
 
Am i doing something wrong ? any help is appreciated, thanks !

 
 
Any managed to play SACD ISO successfully on their N5? I'm on latest firmware and under foobar, properties of the ISO reads DST64 codec, but I have no problem playing the files extracted as DSF/DFF format, thanks in advance for any possible help !
 
Feb 24, 2016 at 4:51 AM Post #1,544 of 2,546
  QP1R vs N5 vs N6: A Brief Comparison

 
pekingduck, interesting but it seems to me that you might have got your N5 and N6 DAC chips mixed up in your chart above?
 
Andy, as the Cayin N5 has the same DAC chip as the mighty Chord Mojo
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I would be interested to know if you have heard the Mojo yet?
 
Are you/Cayin surprised that the Mojo has no traditional Amp section and would Cayin ever consider doing the same?
 
Feb 24, 2016 at 5:02 AM Post #1,545 of 2,546
pekingduck, interesting but it seems to me that you might have got your N5 and N6 DAC chips mixed up in your chart above?

Andy, as the Cayin N5 has the same DAC chip as the mighty Chord Mojo :rolleyes: I would be interested to know if you have heard the Mojo yet?

Are you/Cayin surprised that the Mojo has no traditional Amp section and would Cayin ever consider doing the same?


You are correct, the N5 andN6 DAC chips in the above chart are mixed up. Also, the N6 runs dual DAC chips.

Another correction for you is the N5 uses the same DAC chip as in the AK380, not the Chord Mojo. Mojo does not use off the shelf DAC chips. They use proprietary code running on very powerful FPGA chips, with a proprietary filter (WTA). There is no way that Cayin would use Chord's tech. Chords amp section is very simple and the reason they can implement it is because of the design of their exceedingly good performing DAC. Just keeping the facts straight. :wink:
 

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