Giogio, quick suggestion for you..  You should consider using some wired headphones to set a basepoint for something to compare the bluetooth headphones to something from the wired side so we know exactly how far apart we stand from the 100% wired side & how close the two sides are getting.

bladefd said:

  Giogio, quick suggestion for you..  You should consider using some wired headphones to set a basepoint for something to compare the bluetooth headphones to something from the wired side so we know exactly how far apart we stand from the 100% wired side & how close the two sides are getting.

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I miss a "?" somewhere for it to be a question
And I did not understand well what you mean.
There are infinite wired headphones. Which one should I get to set it as a standard? But, why?

giogio said:

 
I miss a "?" somewhere for it to be a question
And I did not understand well what you mean.
There are infinite wired headphones. Which one should I get to set it as a standard? But, why?

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People often say that BT ones have long way to go but how close are they already to conventional wired ones? It wouldn't matter which ones you use - something that is decent & well-balanced.
 
It would be more for curiosity than anything because I haven't seen anyone compare bluetooth to any decent wired ones. Of course, it's just a suggestion not a question

giogio said:

  I have just ordered the M2AEBT and I was going to order the M2OEBT so to make a side to side, adding BBP, ATH, and S1+.
So I do not have the money to reorder the AKG now to make a A/B/C just for you
But you can ask me whatever you want about S1+ compared to ATH and I will test it for you.

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Thank you!  The other disadvantage of the AKG K845BT is that it does not have Apt-X, while the Pendulumic Stance does (I have to admit, though, that I REALLY like the looks of the AKGK845BT in white!)
 
Have you head back from Parrot Zik about the evaluation sample of the Zik 2.0 that they were eventually going to send you?  I'm really interested in your view of them!
 
Thanks!

ruthieandjohn said:

 
Thank you!  The other disadvantage of the AKG K845BT is that it does not have Apt-X, while the Pendulumic Stance does (I have to admit, though, that I REALLY like the looks of the AKGK845BT in white!)
 
Have you head back from Parrot Zik about the evaluation sample of the Zik 2.0 that they were eventually going to send you?  I'm really interested in your view of them!
 
Thanks!

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Nope, I did not hear from them anymore, so I will probably buy them myself as soon as I send the two momentum back. Hopefully the Denon and Sony will be out so I will be able to make a side to side.
I have invited the author of the review in Endgadget to make his own Zik vs Zik 2 comparison here. He did a very good job with his review. But well, after all he is editor for Endgadget.
EDIT: I saw that I had enough money to buy a used AKG to make a special comparison for you, exactly the three which you are interested in.
But that's all what I can do. I will not bring you the breakfast in bed. You will still have to ask your girlfriend for that

bladefd said:

   
People often say that BT ones have long way to go but how close are they already to conventional wired ones? It wouldn't matter which ones you use - something that is decent & well-balanced.
 
It would be more for curiosity than anything because I haven't seen anyone compare bluetooth to any decent wired ones. Of course, it's just a suggestion not a question

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I think the best way if for you to get the BT Headphones which you think may better suit your needs and see or hear by yourself how good they are to you.
Personally, I use bluetooth because I hate wires, I cannot use wired headphone anymore. So, as far as something sound so good to me that I am satisfied with it, I would not chose wired ever again, even if it sounds a bit better.
And I can only tell you that the top ten of my list sound so good that I do not feel the need to even find out if their wired version could sound better.
I also read that many people used to good wired headphones make comments about how wonderful the Pendulumic Stance S1+ sound, and the Momentum, the Symphony, the Fidelio, and some other top BT Headphones.
So, although I myself have admittedly not much experience with wired headphones, I would say that the BT ones are very close to sound as good as a wired. At least as their corresponding wired model.
I actually have read of some particular BT headphones which sound exactly like the wired version. I think it was the Beats. In fact both the wired and the wireless sound like s***

First of all, I've just recently subscribed to the page because a research that I am doing to get a headphones, and before get to the main topic, let me thank you because this is the only post in all the web that I have found regarding the comparison for BT and wireless headphones and I am on the BT user side I don't like the wired walking or working. So a brief description, I am far away to be an audiophile or that I know a lot of headphones so to make it simple, I tried the skullcandy Crusher headphones and I loved the bass on those headphones and for sure I did not like that those are not wireless and also I am looking for something that I found that are closed headphones or without leaking but some specs in the most of the headphones does not say if the people around you can listen what you are listening even with bass, and for sure I love something that I can use at work. So I would like to know what would you recommend me to get and not that expensive (300-350 dlls top), what I am looking is

-Bluetooth headphones
-Headphones that the people around me don't get crazy because they can hear my music (no leaking or closed headphones if the term applies)
- great bass but not the bass that when you get too loud makes distortion in the music, if possible some bass like the skullcandy crushers or better
- Portable and with a decent design
- Long usage battery
- Good wireless distance for the Bluetooth or that does not be easily affected by other signals

Just as reference the music that I listed goes from led zeppelin to timo maas or chemical brothers in terms of genres I am a not into a specific kind of music but I love the bass in rock and electronic, sometimes I like acoustic music but overall I like more the punch in music.

Regarding the skullcandy crushers I went to a store to test them I could try them on and the bass is great, it does not creates any distortion in the music even if it is really loud, I mean I am not an expert but Like the sound and the isolation on them.

I have a normal head and normal or not big ears in reference of the over the ear part.

hope all my descriptions make sense for you and also that you can give me some guide with a good suggestion about what to get.

Thank you so much, best regards

Thanks to Giogio for the reply and support

unksoc said:

-Bluetooth headphones
-Headphones that the people around me don't get crazy because they can hear my music (no leaking or closed headphones if the term applies)
- great bass but not the bass that when you get too loud makes distortion in the music, if possible some bass like the skullcandy crushers or better
- Portable and with a decent design
- Long usage battery
- Good wireless distance for the Bluetooth or that does not be easily affected by other signals

Just as reference the music that I listed goes from led zeppelin to timo maas or chemical brothers in terms of genres I am a not into a specific kind of music but I love the bass in rock and electronic, sometimes I like acoustic music but overall I like more the punch in music.
 

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I had similar requirements as you, and I am getting Plantronics Backbeat Pros. I know giogio is big on them too.
 
You could always wait for the Sony MDR-1ABT. I heard very good stuff about it, but not released yet in USA..

giogio said:

 
I miss a "?" somewhere for it to be a question
And I did not understand well what you mean.
There are infinite wired headphones. Which one should I get to set it as a standard? But, why?

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Get one that can go wired and BT.. Such as, the M2, Def Tech 1, 

unksoc said:

First of all, I've just recently subscribed to the page because a research that I am doing to get a headphones, and before get to the main topic, let me thank you because this is the only post in all the web that I have found regarding the comparison for BT and wireless headphones and I am on the BT user side I don't like the wired walking or working. So a brief description, I am far away to be an audiophile or that I know a lot of headphones so to make it simple, I tried the skullcandy Crusher headphones and I loved the bass on those headphones and for sure I did not like that those are not wireless and also I am looking for something that I found that are closed headphones or without leaking but some specs in the most of the headphones does not say if the people around you can listen what you are listening even with bass, and for sure I love something that I can use at work. So I would like to know what would you recommend me to get and not that expensive (300-350 dlls top), what I am looking is

-Bluetooth headphones
-Headphones that the people around me don't get crazy because they can hear my music (no leaking or closed headphones if the term applies)
- great bass but not the bass that when you get too loud makes distortion in the music, if possible some bass like the skullcandy crushers or better
- Portable and with a decent design
- Long usage battery
- Good wireless distance for the Bluetooth or that does not be easily affected by other signals

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You will probably like the Momentum Wireless. Ear cups are large enough for normal ears and they have a decent amount of bass. Doesn't distort but can be a bit boomy at times, specially with bass heavy music. Fits all your other criteria quite well except for the wireless range one. The range isn't great and you may or may not have issues with the signal depending on where you live. The Backbeat Pro doesn't seem to have any bluetooth issues but they aren't the most comfortable or portable headphones around going by the comments on this thread.

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Get one that can go wired and BT.. Such as, the M2, Def Tech 1, 

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Laypa, the 99% of the mid to high end BT headphones can be used wired.
How they sound in wired and in BT mode, it's another story. But they can be used wired.
I think he was mostly wanting to know if BT Headphones nowadays are almost as good as the wired ones, or good enough to truly enjoy music.
Not having much experience with wired headphones I cannot really answer this with real objectivity. And probably the most meaningful thing to do is comparing some BT headphone to their wired version, like I think somebody in the M2 thread did between M2 and M2AEBT.
But as far as I can say, modern BT headphones sound really good, and I think we all would answer "yeah bro, of course they are good, what do you think we are doing here, we are not a brunch of masochistic people inflicting pain to their hears with terrible sounding headphones, are we?".

 

unksoc said:

So I would like to know what would you recommend me to get and not that expensive (300-350 dlls top), what I am looking is

-Bluetooth headphones
-Headphones that the people around me don't get crazy because they can hear my music (no leaking or closed headphones if the term applies)
- great bass but not the bass that when you get too loud makes distortion in the music, if possible some bass like the skullcandy crushers or better
- Portable and with a decent design
- Long usage battery
- Good wireless distance for the Bluetooth or that does not be easily affected by other signals

Just as reference the music that I listed goes from led zeppelin to timo maas or chemical brothers in terms of genres I am a not into a specific kind of music but I love the bass.
I have a normal head and normal or not big ears in reference of the over the ear part.

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The Audio Technica ATHWS99BT, my favourite, is out of this game for not being really good at isolating incoming and outgoing sounds. I have used them in a room with other people at night and nobody complained, and in the Bus also nobody killed me, but I would not describe them as "good at isolating noise". And considering how uneasy are they to get, I would skip them in this case.
The Plantronics Backbeat Pro would be my choice in this case because they do not leak much sound (people just near you could hear the bump of the bass at loud volume though) and they even have Active Noise Cancelling (like the Crusher, for what I have read of them). Their bass is strong and I think you would enjoy their sound a lot. But you must be SURE that your ears are not longer than 6cm. Their pads have 5.5cm opening, so, 5cm long ears would fit better, but 6cm ones could still accommodate.
Second choice would be the Fidelio M2BT (or also the M1BT if you do not need Multipoint and NFC. They sound almost identical, and the M1 is quite cheaper). They have a really amazing bass, are a bit more present in the mids than the Plantronics, with a generally warmer sound, and although they are On Ear and have no Active Noise Cancelling they still isolate passively quite well from incoming and outgoing sounds. They have lesser range than the Plantronics, but when going around with your phone you would not notice. Only when streaming music from your PC and walking around at home you could notice it. They are anyway much more portable and stylish than the Plantronics.
The battery life is more or less the half, 12hrs Fidelio, 24 Plantronics (on paper. In the reality it would be 10 and 20). But 10 are still quite good. Sincerely, how much will you use them in one day? So, as long as you charge them every day, you will be fine.
For what I have read of the Crusher, I imagine that these two are the only ones in my list which can come close to the Crusher (or probably even beat them), after the ATH which as said unfortunately does not isolate noise very well
The JBL Synchros S400BT also have a strong bass, a punchy one (less rumble). They fit a bit strange and I could not swear on their passive NC. So, I would give them a try if you want to compare them with the other ones and decide by yourself, or if you really like their design. If not, I would go with one of the other two.
Last one to think about is the House of Marley Liberate XLBT. They have a strong punchy bass, not as strong as Fidelio and Plantronics, but nice. The mids are very present, even too much for some people, while the highs are quite laid back. This gives them a nice personality after all, and I can imagine them good for old school rock like Zeppelin. But less for Electro unless you use EQ to increase highs.
 
As n00b2 said, the Momentum could be an option, an expensive one. I will try next week both versions, On and Over Ear, so, stay connected for updated here.
The Parrot Zik 1 and 2 are said to have a good bass too but without trying them I cannot confirm how good in quality and quantity it is. But if you like their look, and the idea of something whose sound you can configure with an App, and do not mind the lesser battery life (compensated by the possibility of changing battery if needed) you may want to look at them.
The other one you could want to wait for (a few weeks, presumably) is the Denon AH-GC20. It will be big and with Multipoint and Noise Cancelling, and it should have a strong bass, people speculate...

Initial impressions – comparison between MDR-1ABT and MDR-1RBTMK2
 
I finally got impatient enough to order the MDR-1ABT from a Japanese seller on eBay (plus they were cheaper than the retail price in the US). With the caveat that I don’t have golden ears, and I’m fairly new to describing sound quality, here are some initial thoughts I’ve formed around comparing the 1ABT with the 1RBTMK2. I’ve only had the 1ABT for a day, so I haven’t done extensive A/B comparisons.
 
 
Sound
 
A bit more detail. Less veiled. Not that the 1RBT was really veiled, but there seems to be more detail. The 1RBT always felt a bit smoothed over to me. The 1ABT has less of that.
 
Bass is slightly punchier, and maybe more present, but not overdone. The bass doesn’t take over, but you can feel it a bit more. These are still neutral headphones though.
 
Soundstage/positioning seems improved, maybe just because the extra detail, but I think it’s wider. It isn’t quite as wide as my open-back wired headphones, but I think I get a better sense of the location and rough distance of the different sounds than on the 1RBT.
 
 
Wireless connection
 
I use an LG G3 and the AptX-capable Azio USB dongle. I haven’t experienced any connection problems using either source, and AptX is enabled correctly on both.
 
My 1RBT took a second or two to play the audio after pressing play on the source, which would cause me to miss the beginning of the song/podcast/video. They fixed this with the 1ABT. It starts playing immediately, so no content is missed.
 
 
Physical
 
Comfort is definitely improved for me. Ear pads are slightly thicker, feels like different, firmer material. And the rear side appears to be slightly thicker than the front.
 
They don’t seem to clamp quite as tight as the 1RBT, but they still don’t feel like they’ll fall off.
 
The ear cups now turn flat the correct way! That is to say, inward. If you’re wearing them around your neck, the drivers point toward you. That wasn’t the case on the 1RBT.
 
They changed the side for NFC pairing. It’s now on the left side, because the touch controls are on the right side.
 
 
Issues
 
Microphonics are still there. I got used to them, but this becomes a bit of a problem with the new touch interface. When you have to double-tap the outside of the ear cup to pause, it is louder than I’d like it to be. And the sound of my finger sliding to adjust the volume/track is unpleasant.
 
Why on earth did they recess the 3.5 mm jack?  It is recessed into the ear cup by a few millimeters, which turns out to be just enough to prevent all of my existing 3.5 mm cables from working with it. This is probably to prevent stress on the jack itself and to better secure the connection, but it is annoying to have to use a special cable for a standard connection. This is obviously less of a problem than if these were wired headphones, but it’s still pretty annoying.
 
The multipoint Bluetooth connection is inferior to other implementations like the BackBeat Pro. You have to manually uncheck the "Media audio" box in the Android settings to connect to another device for media audio. This means you can't easily switch between watching videos on a tablet and listening to music on a phone, which is a common use case for me.

orion23rigel said:

  Initial impressions – comparison between MDR-1ABT and MDR-1RBTMK2
 
 

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Thanks for good review, you are one of the few, that has the 1ABT and the MK2 at the same time.
 
I am a layman too, so tech terms are not my mainstay. From your terms I can assume the 1ABT is better( the audiophiles don't like that term ), than the 1RBTMK2. Plus the 1ABT has LLaptx.
Great, I am going to get them just as soon as they are available from Bestbuy and Amazon..

cehowardnote3 said:

   
From your terms I can assume the 1ABT is better( the audiophiles don't like that term ), than the 1RBTMK2.

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I know they are subjectively better to me, but I'm not yet sure if the improvement fully justifies the price. I think it does for me.

orion23rigel said:

   
 
I know they are subjectively better to me, but I'm not yet sure if the improvement fully justifies the price. I think it does for me.

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Ha, that is the same exact words I used to describe how the M2 was better to me than the Def Tech Symp 1..
 
BTW, your opinion is solid with me for the simple reason, you are into the Mk2.  I had been touting the MK2 for a long time. So, if you say it has a edge on the MK2, that almost assures me that it will be a winner with me.. Also, I was saying that anything Sony put out, and supposed to be an upgrade or successor to the Mk2, another plus for me!!  A lot of users don't see the MK2 like you and I see it..
Bottom line, all our ears are different!! 
 
Trying to figure what is the  hold up with Sony releasing the 1ABT worldwide!!
 
Note: We both got the MK2 as our avatar too.. .Hot Dog!!!  

giogio said:

   
The other one you could want to wait for (a few weeks, presumably) is the Denon AH-GC20. It will be big and with Multipoint and Noise Cancelling, and it should have a strong bass, people speculate...

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Man, I don't understand all these delays! The Denons were supposed to release early April but nothing yet. The MDR-1ABT was supposed to release in March in USA but nothing yet. Bit disappointing.
 
BTW - you said that the Plantronics Backbeat Pros have 5.5cm ear room. My ears are almost exactly 6cm and I was going to order them in next couple days. Think that could be an issue? I don't like my ear lobes resting on the pads - unfortunately, none of the nearby stores I can try them before buying/getting them in mail. Argh!