Dunu TITAN Series (new for 2019: Titan 6) [Page 196]
Oct 30, 2015 at 12:49 AM Post #2,416 of 3,012
@Brooko: Thanks for the comparative FR data. The Savant FR curve surprises me. Looks like more bass than I'd expected after reading reviews. That U6 curve looks pretty wonky - quite ragged up top. Wondering how Q-Jays compare to FAD H-VII. Did you try those?

@twister6: Yeah, I don't typically listen to anything with leakage next to my wife. I listened to HE400 lying in bed once, and my wife put an end to that
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You know, it surprised me as well because I was expecting no sub-bass what so over.  It actually there and nicely balanced.  My theory is that Savant is so damn good, people can't come up with a reasonable CONS so the only thing to mention is the high price and "not for bassheads"
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  As a matter of fact, just relative to my ears and using L5 Pro as a source with stock cable and hybrid large tips, I hear as much sub-bass from Savant as I do from RE600 and a little more sub-bass in comparison to DN2kJ (had to check my notes, and edit this post).  But the price of $600 (the review loaner I got is actually Wizard upgrade which is $800) for dual BA driver is rather steep.  But anyway, this is DUNU thread so let's Remember the Titans!!!
 
Can't wait to find out more about the upgrade cable.  If they can keep the same cable design (love that angled connector, y-slitter, chin slider) and use silver-plated wires - it will be a winner! 
 
Oct 30, 2015 at 12:59 AM Post #2,417 of 3,012
  You'll love the q-Jays Nick.  My favourite IEM for 2015.  I ended up buying the review set.  Could have kept it as a review set - but I always said that if I find an IEM I truly love, and want to keep "as my own" - I pay the company for it.  Reminds me - I probably need to talk about doing same with the DN2KJ with Vivian.
 
Nick - here's the graph of the U6 vs Savant vs DN2KJ
 

 
 
Note the U6's dip at 2K and again in the 5-8k region.
 
I usually like a lift in the 5-8K for female vocalists - adds that sweetness.  U6 doesn't have it unfortunately.
 

 
You nailed it with this FR graph!!!  I actually quickly replied to Nik saying that Savant sub-bass is similar to RE600 and DN2kJ without even looking into my sound analysis notes I took a few days ago.  Then, remembered you posted your FR capture, went back to my notes, and bam!  that's exactly what I wrote about sub-bass level, DN2kJ has less in comparison to Savant.
 
You got really good at capturing these graphs.  I'm still not a fan of graphs when analyzing a sound, but have to admit that kind of enjoy looking at it afterwards to align with what I'm hearing :wink:
 
Oct 30, 2015 at 3:18 AM Post #2,418 of 3,012
Still not getting them 100% yet though Alex.  It's raw data rather than calibrated and compensated like the pros are doing.  For me though its getting comparative data which is quite useful.
 
I think I'll get better over time. 
 
Oct 30, 2015 at 3:21 AM Post #2,419 of 3,012
  Still not getting them 100% yet though Alex.  It's raw data rather than calibrated and compensated like the pros are doing.  For me though its getting comparative data which is quite useful.
 
I think I'll get better over time. 

 
Hey Paul, 
 
Was just wondering if you've got the FLC8 on hand and can do a comparison chart with the big players? That would be awesome!
 
Oct 30, 2015 at 3:24 AM Post #2,420 of 3,012
Sorry Igor - don't have that one.  A lot being made of it - so quite happy to review it if the makers want to send me a pair. Let them know I'm quite happy sending it back after I've finished.
 
Oct 30, 2015 at 3:48 AM Post #2,421 of 3,012
  Sorry Igor - don't have that one.  A lot being made of it - so quite happy to review it if the makers want to send me a pair. Let them know I'm quite happy sending it back after I've finished.

 
I'll let Forrest know that you're interested. Would love to see you take on it. I've heard people say that it's better than the A83 which I haven't auditioned yet.
 
Oct 30, 2015 at 5:48 AM Post #2,423 of 3,012
Would you guys then consider the titans 3 & 5 as side grades to the 1? How'd they compare to the dnk and dn2k?

 
1TP - hopefully this is what you were looking for.  Warning - objective AND subjective ahead 
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.  For the subjective, get my preamble from any of my reviews (bias etc).
 
For the objective - measuring gear was:
  1. Startech USB DAC/mic (16/48)
  2. Fiio E11K connected via line-out (to avoid the Startech's 8-10 ohm OI)
  3. Vibro Veritas coupler
  4. ARTA measurement software.
 
The Veritas has a calibration profile to compensate for the Startech - so it measures completely flat 20 hz-20 kHz, but the mic is not calibrated, and there is no compensation to IEC specifications. So the data is raw, but it is consistent, and repeatable, and most importantly it is relative - so the important thing is comparing it to IEMs you may already know.  The other thing that I can get quite consistently is shaping of the graphs generally pretty close to Innerfidelity's raw data - so that makes it useful.  Anyway - take it with a grain of salt.  The measurements were scaled to a common point pretty close to 1.5 kHz. The reason I use 1.5 kHz now is that a lot of measurements reference 1 kHz, but my reading tells me that around 2kHz seems to be the sweet spot for sensitivity.  So I'm covering both bases and using common ground at 1.5 kHz.  Finally - all measurements were taken with Comply foam tips.  They give me most consistent data from the coupler.
 
For the subjective - I used the X3ii, Fiios E17K (neutral and the digital vol control makes it easy to volume match), and an SPL meter to volume match at (1.5 kHz).
 
DNK vs DN2K vs DN2KJ (also refer graph)
DN1K and DN2K are the most alike - with the 2K having slightly less, and slightly better (quality bass).  Both have what I would call elevated bass (above neutral), and neither are particularly fatiguing with both having quite smooth treble. Both are also very clear and clean sounding.  The DN2KJ has a similar overall sound but less bass, and more detail.  Some may be sensitive to it's 7-8K peak, but it's never really bothered me.  You can tell all are from the same family - but the 1K and 2K are like twins, and the 2KJ like the younger, faster, brighter sibling.  For my personal preferences, I really enjoy the 2KJ the most as it renders my female vocalists the best.  Although the 2KJ has the least amount of bass, it still thumps impressively when called for.
 

 
T1 vs T3 vs T5 (also refer graph)
T1 is nicely balanced, really clear in the vocal area, but vocals can seem a little distant due to the wider perceived soundstage. T1 definitely has more bass than T3 - but it is also has more sense of decay (slower), and far greater sub-bass than the T3 which is actually quite anaemic comparatively.  The T3 is very vocal forward and exceedingly clear. The T5 has far more sub-bass (it is definitely massive on bass heavy tracks), very similar vocal profile to the T3, but vocals seem just a little more distant compared to the T3 (probably because of the bass).  The T5 is definitely the most V shaped.  Again all 3 are definitely from the same family.
 

 
So what sounds most alike Titan vs DN series?
Again refer graphs.  Now most people will probably guess that the T3 is going to closest to the DN2KJ - but for me not really.  It's just too bass light comparatively - and the 2KJ has really good bass (quantity and quality). The surprising thing for me is how close the T5 sounds to both the T1 and DN2KJ (tonally).  It just has more bass than both.  It is also more forward in vocals than the 2KJ and a lot more forward than the T1 - which again has that sense of space because of the venting.
 

 

 
All of the DUNU's are excellent though, and DUNU really does a have a line-up that caters to most tastes.
 
IMHO (SUMMARY):
  1. The DN1K and DN2K are great if you want clear, slightly bass elevated, and relatively non fatiguing upper mids / lower treble.  I personally find them great all rounders, but more so for male vocalists, rock, EDM etc.
  2. The DN2KJ are one of my most favourite IEMs. They take the bass of the 1K and 2K, refine it, speed it up, and then really give outstanding clarity in vocals, and a bright clear upper end. They are the most spacious of the IEM series,a nd the best for female vocalists (to my preferences anyway)
  3. The T1 are similar tonally to the DN2KJ - but they have an incredible sense of space, and because of this the vocals sit back a little.  They are clean and clear, have a nicely balanced bass, and still one of my favourite among DUNUs range.  I still prefer the T1's tonality over both the DN1k and DN2K.
  4. The T3 are really the odd one out in the family.  Definitely a lot of similarity to the others, but they are quite bass light (comparatively) - still have good quick bass though. They are also the most forward with vocals, and sound the most clean and clear. They are the ones in the family I liked immediately when I first heard them - but I have "cooled" to them over the last week. For me personally I sometimes find the forward vocals a little too much "in my face" and can get fatigued after a while.  They are very good for quiet listening though.  But if you are a loud listener - then I'd be cautious with the T3.
  5. The T5 are the enigma for me.  When I first received the new T series from DUNU, I spent most of the first few days with the T3 - didn't like the T5 (too bassy).  But over time the T5 has become one of my favourites.  it has similar vocals to the T3 - but the added bass means I often listen to them much quieter than the T3.  I don't need to turn the volume up to get reasonable vocal presence because it is forward anyway, and at lower levels, the bass is actually really good.  Yes it is above neutral, and can slam hard if you really want to rock out.  But it is also present for those quieter listening sessions, and the more I spend time with them, the more I find them similar to the 2KJ.  It just depends on your default listening level.
 
Hopefully that helps a little.  I know it possibly goes somewhat against the grain of the reviews posted so far.
 
Oct 30, 2015 at 6:40 AM Post #2,425 of 3,012
No problems.  I like the T3 as well - but I just found that for long listening sessions I was tending to turn the volume up a bit because of the weaker bass, and that was bringing the mids even more forward. End result was fatigue.  Surprised me quite a bit as I usually like the brighter leaner side of things.
 
Oh and with the Luxury & Precision L5 Pro - let's just say the T5 are incredible.  I lost an hour last night (supposed to be starting critical listening).  That went out the window - was enjoying myself too much :)
 
Oct 30, 2015 at 6:47 AM Post #2,426 of 3,012
No problems.  I like the T3 as well - but I just found that for long listening sessions I was tending to turn the volume up a bit because of the weaker bass, and that was bringing the mids even more forward. End result was fatigue.  Surprised me quite a bit as I usually like the brighter leaner side of things.

Oh and with the Luxury & Precision L5 Pro - let's just say the T5 are incredible.  I lost an hour last night (supposed to be starting critical listening).  That went out the window - was enjoying myself too much :)


That's always a good sign!
 
Oct 30, 2015 at 8:30 AM Post #2,427 of 3,012
  No problems.  I like the T3 as well - but I just found that for long listening sessions I was tending to turn the volume up a bit because of the weaker bass, and that was bringing the mids even more forward. End result was fatigue.  Surprised me quite a bit as I usually like the brighter leaner side of things.
 
Oh and with the Luxury & Precision L5 Pro - let's just say the T5 are incredible.  I lost an hour last night (supposed to be starting critical listening).  That went out the window - was enjoying myself too much :)

 
I know you are not a cable believer, but I went so many times back'n'forth with a stock and SLP replacement cable, and silver-plated cable levels off mids to my hears.  I agree, T3 is slightly mid forward and at higher volume it will be perceived more prominent (though I don't mind because there are no offensive peaks to my ears :wink:).  With SLP cable mids get pulled slightly back and signature becomes more balanced.  Can't wait for what DUNU going to release officially as replacement cable.
 
I don't know what is happening m8, but you are shifting more toward bass-enhanced signature while I'm going the opposite direction toward more neutral sig lol!!!
 
Glad you are enjoying L5 Pro, I absolutely LOVE IT.
 
Oct 30, 2015 at 9:01 AM Post #2,428 of 3,012
Thanks for your laborious effort Brooko. Though when I first got my Titan 1, I actually dislike the sound with the stock large tips. The sound improved a bit with the SpinFit but no go with the Spiral Dot tips due to high peaks and accentuated lows. Just when I was about to give up on the Titan 1, I gave it a last chance by pairing it with the Comply T200 and BAM....it sounds like heaven and now I have to eat my own words and it has been my favorite on-the-go IEM. What a difference a pair of tips can make, I literally surprised myself. Now, I really need to audition the Titan 3, 5 and DN2KJ and see how much better they are against the Titan 1 sound 
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Oct 30, 2015 at 10:04 AM Post #2,429 of 3,012
  Thanks for your laborious effort Brooko. Though when I first got my Titan 1, I actually dislike the sound with the stock large tips. The sound improved a bit with the SpinFit but no go with the Spiral Dot tips due to high peaks and accentuated lows. Just when I was about to give up on the Titan 1, I gave it a last chance by pairing it with the Comply T200 and BAM....it sounds like heaven and now I have to eat my own words and it has been my favorite on-the-go IEM. What a difference a pair of tips can make, I literally surprised myself. Now, I really need to audition the Titan 3, 5 and DN2KJ and see how much better they are against the Titan 1 sound 
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lol pretty much the words that'd sum up the DUNU experience: a great one indeed! You'll find that the Titans-1 is just the tip of the iceberg.
 
Oct 30, 2015 at 9:35 PM Post #2,430 of 3,012
@Brooko
 
@twister6
 
@nmatheis
 
my friends, I was curious on your thoughts on the detachable cables of both the t3 and t5?
 
I'm all for the idea of easily swapping the cable once something cuts out any such but in the past many "earphones" with detachable cables seem to bring a lot of issues to the table as well
 
like mmcx connectors on my vsd3s (its fine now, but it spins freely and I can see dust possibly seeping in between the gaps (which is bound to happen when the cable is not fixed)
 
and if you keep detaching them (like I did when I got the lunarshop cable, just to try em out) I noticed the connectors get more and more loose.
 
SOOO anyways long story short (does the t3s and t5's detachable connection feel sturdy? does it spin freely with little to no effort)?
 
I think I'll find out eventually but I wanted to hear your thoughts friends!
 

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