Feliks-Audio ELISE...(previously 6SN7 + 6AS7G/6080 prototype)
Dec 18, 2014 at 10:42 AM Post #511 of 3,428
does it come with stock NOS tubes...save a few bucks. ? :p
 
just visited Schiit site...with all the new version 2 tube amps coming out at sub$500,
one key competitive aspect will be how well this ELIZE handle low impedence cans,
(most OTLs can handle high impedence cans pretty well i presume? ).
 
where is that Hynos boy...u cant be walking the dog for 3 hours??? 
 
Dec 18, 2014 at 4:11 PM Post #512 of 3,428
What, we've waited for so long and you are hanging us on the air? :disappointed_relieved:

Come one, we're as excited as you are... :smile:

 
SORRY...blame "SHE who must be obeyed" - I always do, lol! (Glad to hear you're as excited as me...but are you just as much of a nervous wreck, mon ami?!!..
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...The best things are worth waiting for, non?..(See below!)...
 
  does it come with stock NOS tubes...save a few bucks. ? :p
 
just visited Schiit site...with all the new version 2 tube amps coming out at sub$500,
one key competitive aspect will be how well this ELIZE handle low impedence cans,
(most OTLs can handle high impedence cans pretty well i presume? ).
 
where is that Hynos boy...u cant be walking the dog for 3 hours??? 

 
Would that that's all I have to do ,L...even if I don't have a dog! And making that video was more of an ordeal than I thought - and even then it's less than overwhelming! In fact I still haven't got it fit for youtube as yet, so I am posting some photos first.
 
By the way, no low-z cans I'm afraid - it will need those with deeper wallets than mine to do the comparison honours...come on down folks!!
 
Anyway, enough of this frivolity...my first glimpses of the new arrival (and I think she's GORGEOUS!!) :
 


 
Well, I think she's gorgeous anyway...
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Sorry the photos could have been better - short on time and decent light. And my last one - of her side-by-side with my LD MKIV SE -  wouldn't even upload...too large a file size! So that will have to wait 'til next time.
 
Anyway, I've only managed the shortest of listens as of yet, but am very impressed already - especially as everything can't have had a great deal of burn-in yet...and 'just' stock tubes in situ. It will be weekend before I can really put her through her paces unfortunately, so a further wait for any serious impressions is in order I'm afraid...I think you can all appreciate this is no small task to complete to any really useful degree! 
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So now I shall try to get the video sorted...it's gonna be a LONG night!!
 
Dec 18, 2014 at 7:04 PM Post #513 of 3,428
Hi everyone.
 
Have just postponed uploading the video to youtube - I need to wait for Lukasz's reply to the fact that at the moment the 6080 tube won't in fact fit!...the recess is too deep for the pins to reach, and the hole not wide enough for its extra-wide base.
So obviously either the socket would need to be raised or an extender provided...ah well, another headache for the poor guy...but it is still early days after all, and nothing too problematic - hopefully! All will be well...
 
Given it's now midnight here, answers should be forthcoming tomorrow...
 
So it's goodnight from me...just one more track before I crash! 
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Dec 18, 2014 at 8:36 PM Post #514 of 3,428
Sounds like the same issue I have with my Little Dot VI+ with the front tubes if using the new expensive Chinese tubes that have the extra large brass base.  Normally not a issue with the NOS tubes I have on hand.
 
Dec 19, 2014 at 2:49 AM Post #515 of 3,428
  Hi everyone.
 
Have just postponed uploading the video to youtube - I need to wait for Lukasz's reply to the fact that at the moment the 6080 tube won't in fact fit!...the recess is too deep for the pins to reach, and the hole not wide enough for its extra-wide base.
So obviously either the socket would need to be raised or an extender provided...ah well, another headache for the poor guy...but it is still early days after all, and nothing too problematic - hopefully! All will be well...
 
Given it's now midnight here, answers should be forthcoming tomorrow...
 
So it's goodnight from me...just one more track before I crash! 
smile_phones.gif

 
 
a piece of cake....bring out your blowtorch 
 

 
Dec 19, 2014 at 1:01 PM Post #516 of 3,428
   
SORRY...blame "SHE who must be obeyed" - I always do, lol! (Glad to hear you're as excited as me...but are you just as much of a nervous wreck, mon ami?!!..
wink.gif
...The best things are worth waiting for, non?..(See below!)...
 
 
Would that that's all I have to do ,L...even if I don't have a dog! And making that video was more of an ordeal than I thought - and even then it's less than overwhelming! In fact I still haven't got it fit for youtube as yet, so I am posting some photos first.
 
By the way, no low-z cans I'm afraid - it will need those with deeper wallets than mine to do the comparison honours...come on down folks!!
 
Anyway, enough of this frivolity...my first glimpses of the new arrival (and I think she's GORGEOUS!!) :
 


 
Well, I think she's gorgeous anyway...
biggrin.gif

 
Sorry the photos could have been better - short on time and decent light. And my last one - of her side-by-side with my LD MKIV SE -  wouldn't even upload...too large a file size! So that will have to wait 'til next time.
 
Anyway, I've only managed the shortest of listens as of yet, but am very impressed already - especially as everything can't have had a great deal of burn-in yet...and 'just' stock tubes in situ. It will be weekend before I can really put her through her paces unfortunately, so a further wait for any serious impressions is in order I'm afraid...I think you can all appreciate this is no small task to complete to any really useful degree! 
wink.gif

 
So now I shall try to get the video sorted...it's gonna be a LONG night!!

 
 
Looks great H1! Looking forward to your impressions.
 
Dec 19, 2014 at 1:19 PM Post #518 of 3,428
Actually, just this moment enjoying very much Lampizator totally tube staged DAC + Espressivo from Mr.Feliks + Modded DT150 Beyerdynamic studio vocal monitoring headphones. Meybe not perfect but great fullfilled sound, with great timbre, perfect natural phrase decay, perfect reverbs... Zero upsampling, local and global feedbacks, zero op-amps, filterings and so on. Just current flowing through the tubes :)
 
But waiting for impressions with Elise, already want to have it for its look !
 
Dec 19, 2014 at 3:59 PM Post #520 of 3,428
The video is done and on youtube :
 
Thanks for your encouragement guys...now the real hard work starts (mind you, I feel like I've been through the wringer already!...and I haven't had to build the darned thing!!) -  ie. trying different drivers; powers;driver/power combinations etc etc. And I haven't even yet been able to see properly what stock can do...
 
However, early impressions have caught me somewhat off guard...coming from the LittleDot MKIV SE (with C3GS drivers and GEC CV2523 powers) and what was a very polished performance, I wasn't really quite ready for such a different sound...I was expecting just "more of the same"...WRONG!  At first I wasn't sure if it was a positive difference or less so, but after a while 'adjusting' to it I realised it was the much greater dynamic element to the sound that unbalanced me. I had become accustomed to the lighter, somewhat more delicate presentation of the LD combo - and now I was literally being 'knocked off my perch'!
 
The bass and lower mids were doing that 'bone-shaking' trick...helped no doubt by the Beyer T1s, and the overall dynamism was confirmed by one of my (now) main test tracks for dynamic range handling/energy/cohesion of complex sound mix/pure dynamism - ie. "Battle", from the music soundtrack of 'Gladiator'. I was literally "blown away". So this introduced me to a much "fuller" type of sound, and was very exciting.
 
But what about much more delicate offerings? I have yet to fully assess this quality, but a small taste from the final bars of Mary Fahl's 'Goin' Home' (from the 'Gods and Generals' soundtrack) had me wanting a bit more of the LD combo's delicate finesse in the upper mids/ treble arena. However, I have yet to check this to any meaningful degree, and is being totally unfair on tubes that are just nowhere in the same league. I have no doubt whatsoever that when I spoil the Elise with such tubes, I shall once again be in total awe.
 
It is frustrating in the extreme that I can't do that just yet - I MUST give the stock tubes a fair trial first. But I do have to admit that already they are giving a stellar performance - an amp that can do this with very modest tubes (the drivers probably being more so than the 6N13S powers) has to be fairly special, I would suspect...
 
Anyway, the weekend is coming and I fear my poor ears and head are in for a battering....pity me!
wink.gif
...But it's all in a good cause...
tongue.gif

 
Dec 19, 2014 at 4:05 PM Post #521 of 3,428
Just about to take a look at the video I dropped a socket saver on the floor today and it struck me as a easy solution for extending the sockets upwards if you really wanted to roll some 6080's
 
Dec 19, 2014 at 4:12 PM Post #523 of 3,428
  The video is done and on youtube :
 
Thanks for your encouragement guys...now the real hard work starts (mind you, I feel like I've been through the wringer already!...and I haven't had to build the darned thing!!) -  ie. trying different drivers; powers;driver/power combinations etc etc. And I haven't even yet been able to see properly what stock can do...
 
However, early impressions have caught me somewhat off guard...coming from the LittleDot MKIV SE (with C3GS drivers and GEC CV2523 powers) and what was a very polished performance, I wasn't really quite ready for such a different sound...I was expecting just "more of the same"...WRONG!  At first I wasn't sure if it was a positive difference or less so, but after a while 'adjusting' to it I realised it was the much greater dynamic element to the sound that unbalanced me. I had become accustomed to the lighter, somewhat more delicate presentation of the LD combo - and now I was literally being 'knocked off my perch'!
 
The bass and lower mids were doing that 'bone-shaking' trick...helped no doubt by the Beyer T1s, and the overall dynamism was confirmed by one of my (now) main test tracks for dynamic range handling/energy/cohesion of complex sound mix/pure dynamism - ie. "Battle", from the music soundtrack of 'Gladiator'. I was literally "blown away". So this introduced me to a much "fuller" type of sound, and was very exciting.
 
But what about much more delicate offerings? I have yet to fully assess this quality, but a small taste from the final bars of Mary Fahl's 'Goin' Home' (from the 'Gods and Generals' soundtrack) had me wanting a bit more of the LD combo's delicate finesse in the upper mids/ treble arena. However, I have yet to check this to any meaningful degree, and is being totally unfair on tubes that are just nowhere in the same league. I have no doubt whatsoever that when I spoil the Elise with such tubes, I shall once again be in total awe.
 
It is frustrating in the extreme that I can't do that just yet - I MUST give the stock tubes a fair trial first. But I do have to admit that already they are giving a stellar performance - an amp that can do this with very modest tubes (the drivers probably being more so than the 6N13S powers) has to be fairly special, I would suspect...
 
Anyway, the weekend is coming and I fear my poor ears and head are in for a battering....pity me!
wink.gif
...But it's all in a good cause...
tongue.gif


Congrats! very nice i enjoyed watching it,THANKS!
 
Dec 19, 2014 at 4:13 PM Post #524 of 3,428
 
  So how did they test  the AMP if the 6080 would not fit?
 
That means was not tested with the 6080.

 
Hi ilm2.
 
Yes indeed...obviously not tested with the 6080 and certain (wrong) assumptions made. However, Lukasz is on the case and so should have an answer for us soon. Fear not, mon ami...

Hopefully it's not much of a work for them.
 

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