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This looking for problems when it's strictly a matter of chosen trade offs. There is no best way here.
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kawaivpc1
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I'm trying. That person was claiming totally groundless to me in an arrogant manner.
I'm talking about something that is very obvious and widely used in many portable electronics we use today.
Our Laptops, cellphones, etc all come with a detachable battery so you can buy and carry extra and easily replace.
He thinks we can't use that idea for our DAPs just because he thinks he can't.
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That person coincidentally also has been writing honest and in-depth gear reviews, providing valuable advices and insights to other members in this community. In order to put things in perspective, Fiio has mentioned multiple times in both the X5 and X7 threads to explain their rationale behind their battery choice. I think we can also do the courtesy to read it up beforehand.
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So do you think we can't make our DAP battery detachable?
Why do your laptop and cellphone come with detachable batteries? if your laptop and cellphone were made with a fully enclosed battery that is most likely only accessible by their manufacturers, you will have to send them back to your manufacturers whenever the battery gets problem, and you won't be able to carry extra batteries on travel either.
Any technician with lowest amount of training can make a detachable battery. I think it's not a problem to request this feature.
I'm sure they'll make more money by selling X7 batteries as well.
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Regarding 1/4 jack and DAP's thickness, check this DAP. It comes with a 1/4 jack and a 3.5 mm jack. It isn't that thick.
Regarding 1/4 jack and DAP's thickness, check this DAP. It comes with a 1/4 jack and a 3.5 mm jack. It isn't that thick.
I wouldn't dare to call it "small" or something. It still looks like a brick
Because FiiO is neither setup to be a direct sale company nor is they a battery company. You make it sounds like they can just snap their finger and everything will work smoothly. But in reality this operation will involve a change in how the company conducts its business as well as putting in resources that can otherwise used for other things. Designing, OEM purchasing, inventory, logistic, sale and management will all be costing more money, without even consider the risk of selling an accessory that might or might not make any money.
Why do you assume they didn't actually give it a thought before? Must they go out, try and fail before they can confirm how a thing works or not, instead of putting in some key members of the company to explore the possibility and found it to not suit the company's current business? I have pretty much a "direct line" when it comes discussion with FiiO engineers and management, given I am the guy who introduced them to Head-fi and still giving them idea for products' R&D from time to time. Do you think we (me and the FiiO guys) never come across this topic before? And here you are, the one on the outside who knows nothing about how these things works and how they are running their business, insisting that you are justifiable enough to ask others not to reply to you because they don't share your vision? Who is the "totally narrow minded and not understandable" here?
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Okay, none of things you've said relates to assertion I have made regarding the benefit and possibility of detachable battery. You're not talking about anything regarding my question: why do your cellphones and laptops come with detachable batteries?
Even if you have a direct connection to Fiio engineers, it doesn't mean that you're the chief guy who will decide what will happen next.
If Fiio guys are so worried about its sale and cost, they can simply start a poll here regarding if people want extra batteries or not . I'm sure plenty of audiophiles here will willing to sacrifice $100 for extra batteries.
If X7 will be built based on people's opinion, that's how we can use this thread.
Who is the "totally narrow minded and not understandable" here?
and why do your cellphones and laptops use detachable batteries?
Yeah, because a niche market should be handled just as products aimed to the mass. Seriously, he answered your questions but do you still want to get on a discussion with him because he didn't answered your "why do your cellphones and laptops come with detachable batteries?" ?
Like James of Fiio said about other questions...they CAN'T do some things because they aren't Samsung, Apple or something, maybe the detachable batteries are a good idea but it's not something they can do, due to costs and things like that. You always need to get the balance, you can't sacrifice the reliabilty, production costs, time, etc just to get one benefit. It's a shame that I can't explain my point well because English is not my native language and it's difficult to get the right words, but you should stop trying to be "the hero" of this thread and the owner of the truth and trying to be the voice of all the "audiophiles" here cos' not everyone agrees with you and it's just too much hassle to do a detachable battery on a product that's probably going to be used for less than 3 years without problems. Just see how people always want to get the TOTL DAP on the market.
Like James of Fiio said about other questions...they CAN'T do some things because they aren't Samsung, Apple or something, maybe the detachable batteries are a good idea but it's not something they can do, due to costs and things like that. You always need to get the balance, you can't sacrifice the reliabilty, production costs, time, etc just to get one benefit. It's a shame that I can't explain my point well because English is not my native language and it's difficult to get the right words, but you should stop trying to be "the hero" of this thread and the owner of the truth and trying to be the voice of all the "audiophiles" here cos' not everyone agrees with you and it's just too much hassle to do a detachable battery on a product that's probably going to be used for less than 3 years without problems. Just see how people always want to get the TOTL DAP on the market.
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Because that is feature that they can provide. For Fiio it's not so easy and not a headline feature. Fiio is more focused on sound quality than convenient features. To include as powerful an amp as they can they are choosing a battery configuration that will meet their target and last long enough to satisfy customers. You'd be surprised how much more juice you can get when you can use the entire space devoted to battery chemistry and not battery casings and connectors (both on the battery and the device it's powering). Chances are that if they used a replaceable battery it would have to be purchased form an existing configuration and one that is relatively small (like a cellphone battery). If that happened there would be many more customers complaining that their DAP only lasted 4 hours instead of over 10 hours. Give and take. Lose some win some. Choices.
Why doesn't Apple provide replaceable batteries? They have the money to do so but they don't. Because it doesn't fit their design aesthetic and product target and business plan.
If you don't like it that's just fine. We've heard your opinion.
Because the user itself can change it if has a problem with it, and maybe you can have a second battery if you want, and as a brand, you can't deal with millions of people that want their batteries changed I guess. But since the X7 is supposed to be a TOTL product, it's not like Fiio is going to deal with that. Dunno.
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It depends on what battery you'll use. If you're going to use a one that is supposed to give 8 hours, it will be just fine. As I have said earlier, Making a battery detachable won't reduce battery's life.
Why doesn't apple provide replaceable batteries? you're wrong about that. Read Steve Job's autobiography book. He said, he made all of Apple products not easy to open and modifiable because he likes to control the consumers. Meaning, he wanted to provide consumers with a completely controlled user experience. That's what Apple's products are all about. That's why Steve Jobs made Itunes, etc. It's because of his philosophy and personality. Not business reasons.
That's correct. That's exactly why I'm requesting that feature.
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Agree. We respect and have heard his opinion.
As stated on page 1 of this thread, the play time is targeted at around 10 hours and of course it will be less for highres and DSD files. I think it is okay for not including an user replaceable battery in this case. If the battery life is like 4-5 hours, it makes more sense to carry backup battery for trips e.g. Hifiman HM-901 I often carry a backup battery for my HM-901 because of the limited play time.
I do not intend to use the same DAP for more than 3 years.
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