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Schiit Lyr Tube Rollers
May 31, 2014 at 12:37 PM Post #2,117 of 23,494
May 31, 2014 at 12:58 PM Post #2,119 of 23,494
gmahler2u said:
Yeah, Thanks I checked!

I had valhalla 2 before but I changed to Lyr.  At that time I had LCD2.2. So I went with lyr.

Thank You! My Valhalla is new and the great Folks at Schiit are allowing me to upgrade to the Lyr 2. I will be keeping my 650's as I upgrade, so I may end with a Valhalla 2 down the road as well. Now if I only could be in Newport this weekend, I would love to check out the new gear!


But good sound with my hd800
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May 31, 2014 at 2:25 PM Post #2,121 of 23,494
wildcatsare1 said:
Check it out on the Schiit Site, my debate now is Lyr 2 vs. Valhalla 2 (with increased power and now rollable).
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I've not heard the Valhalla 2, but have had many all tube (tubes as output amps) like the EarMax, ASL Head OTL, Little Dot, and the highly regarded Woo WA6-SE. They all had a very liquid sound, but were no where near as exciting as the Lyr. Mosfets driven as class A outputs, fed by a 6922 front end may be the ideal setup
 
May 31, 2014 at 2:32 PM Post #2,122 of 23,494
rb2013 said:
I've not heard the Valhalla 2, but have had many all tube (tubes as output amps) like the EarMax, ASL Head OTL, Little Dot, and the highly regarded Woo WA6-SE. They all had a very liquid sound, but were no where near as exciting as the Lyr. Mosfets driven as class A outputs, fed by a 6922 front end may be the ideal setup
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Thanks, leaning to Lyr, my main rig is Krell/SoundLab, so there at least I have "evolved" to class A sound versus pure tube.
 
May 31, 2014 at 3:06 PM Post #2,123 of 23,494
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wildcatsare1 said:
Thanks, leaning to Lyr, my main rig is Krell/SoundLab, so there at least I have "evolved" to class A sound versus pure tube.
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Many, many years ago I had a Krell setup, including the excellent class A FPB200. Was checking on Audiogon recently on the legendary KPS 25sc, I used to drool over that sucker. Was way out of my league at $25,000. Now going for $3k used!

If you like the speed and excitement of Krell, then definitely go for the Lyr!
 
Jun 1, 2014 at 5:53 AM Post #2,126 of 23,494
gibosi said:
   
To give another opinion....  In a different amp, Little Dot, I have had very good luck with Chinese socket-savers and adapters.
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I have used these 8pc 9pin Gold Vintage Tube Socket Saver 6DJ8 12AX7 ECC83 12AU7 ECC82 6922 AMP in my Lyr and they work well. For the best results stack two of them together, insert your tube, then remove the bottom socket. This maintains the pin alignment of the socket after tube insertion. I use these mainly to elevate the tubes 3/4" or so above the Lyr PC tube socket which makes the amp chassis run cooler, tempwise. It also makes tube removal much easier as there is "more" tube to grab. They fit the chassis socket snugly, however the tube and socket saver often come out together, which for me isn't a problem. YMMV, satwilson
 
Jun 1, 2014 at 9:51 AM Post #2,127 of 23,494
I have a problem with the Lyr, maybe somebody knows what the reason is.
 
When listening I'm hearing a very high pitched noise. Sounds a little bit like the sound of a tinnitus. I'm listening with the stock tubes and already switched them. Then the high pitched noise moved from the left speaker to the right.
 
Is there something wrong with one tube?
 
Jun 1, 2014 at 10:04 AM Post #2,128 of 23,494
cavcalade said:
I have a problem with the Lyr, maybe somebody knows what the reason is.

When listening I'm hearing a very high pitched noise. Sounds a little bit like the sound of a tinnitus. I'm listening with the stock tubes and already switched them. Then the high pitched noise moved from the left speaker to the right.

Is there something wrong with one tube?
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If the sound moved with the tube channel switch - yes. Try another pair.

Good luck!
 
Jun 1, 2014 at 11:49 AM Post #2,129 of 23,494
Well last night began my tube rolloff - with 6 hours of glorious tube rolling! The very good news, in the dac5 the Amperexs were not microphonic. In the Lyr they were very micophonic. It'll take a full week to truly dive deep into these super star tubes. I did manage to listen to 6 different songs, rolling each of the 5 tubes - sometimes returning to the Holy Grail '75 6n23p multiple times. So that was 7-8 replays of each song, swaping the tube each time.

These tubes are so different - yet so wonderful. It's like which supermodel girlfriend you like best - the blonde, redhead or brunette? Ah - I love them all!!

Sneak preview - the Amperex '59 Pinched Waist d getter 6922 is a very dark sounding tube. And sublimely euphonic! But what it does on vocals, especially female is a near religious experience. Such liquidity, energy, emotion! Wowzer! It had goose bumps running down my arms. It lacks a whole level of detail versus the '75 Holy Grails and the Tele E88CCs - even the very good Amperex PQs and Bugle Boys. The PW is ridiculously weighted to the bass/mid bass...it's the least natural or realistic in sound signature.

But it's euphonic tone is so wonderfully rich and ripe, it justs oozes emotion. Is it over-ripe at times? Yes! On some tracks it's way over-the-top ripe ( and I'm a tone guy!). The sound stage is narrower and shallower then the other tubes. But what it does on certain tracks is unlike any tube I have ever heard. Although the HGs get close - with a greater overall insight and a whole level more of detail. The Amperex PW are an absolute must have in my tube collection, I think I'll look for a mate so I can run in the Lyr. Not for everyday use, but every so often, they would be fun to hear. They do have tons and tons of bass. I don't think I'll buy a pair of LCDs anymore, just run these with the HD800s.

Full review to follow.

Edit - my usual typos
 
Jun 1, 2014 at 6:00 PM Post #2,130 of 23,494
@ RB2013, Thanks for the peek preview, really looking forward to the complete lowdown! I am starting to get a sense of what tubes work best for different headphones/ DAC's based on our personal sound preferences. Your more detailed analysis of the highly regarded PW in your system/HD800's was very interesting. Certainly a "niche" tube for you, but one that fills that "niche" in spades. That being said I am really interested in the HG Rusky VS the Tele. Your HD800's abundance of detail may not pair well with the Tele's incredible "detail". For my warmer, less detailed, modded T50RP's, the Tele's are awesome. Thanks for taking the time and spending the $$$$ to provide some great insight into some great tubes. waiting.......
 
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