jason stoddard said:

  A ton? No. And if you count R2R vs sigma-delta DACs sold, you're talking 0.01% or less--sigma-delta is everywhere.
 
And even the manufacturers using R2R don't have a bit-perfect digital filter. Yggy's going to be unique. At any price.

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Enough. Ninja seems to be under the impression that Yggy is bringing back R2R, which isn't the case. There's at least a handful using R2R's.

Can we get an R2R ADC too? :3

razielz said:

  Can we get an R2R ADC too? :3

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Hmmmmmm....

I remember back in the days when we were poor post-Soviet kids, we used to make the thing called Covox (8 bit R2R DAC, basically).
It was a very primitive P2P DIY, connected to RS232 serial port and gave much better sound than PC speaker. Revelation at the time....
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covox_Speech_Thing

But seriously, back to Ragnarok--we're assembling the first 10 now. I expect ordering will be open at the end of the month.
 
And Yggdrasil I expect we'll have at the August 9 SoCal meet, in roughly the same condition as Ragnarok was at TheShow Newport (that is, looking and acting like a product, ready for shipping shortly thereafter.)
 
The hardest thing about these products is really explaining how different they are. Talking to the press at Newport, it took a while for it to sink in how truly, insanely crazy Ragarok is--not in terms of power, but in terms of its control system, volume control, etc. We'll have to sneak a few out for reviews, because people really don't understand it until they use it. 
 
(Jude's Ragnarok is going back shortly--probably tomorrow.)
 
Yggy's the same way. We have quite a few people who don't really understand the significance of a truly bitperfect digital filter--this is arguably more important than the multibit/R2R side of things. Well, not really, because you can't have a true bitperfect DAC without both of those things--nor can you have it without bitperfect clock/sample rate/bit depth management (rather than ASRC).
 
This is what Mike has really been working towards on the DAC side--a truly bitperfect DAC, from input to output, without having to go non-oversampling (NOS.) 

Not that NOS is WRONG per se, right ?  Or wrong.

madwolfa said:

  I remember back in the days when we were poor post-Soviet kids, we used to make the thing called Covox (8 bit R2R DAC, basically).
It was a very primitive P2P DIY, connected to RS232 serial port and gave much better sound than PC speaker. Revelation at the time....
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covox_Speech_Thing

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Mmm, that pretty resistor ladder. Can't wait to see a new one that can do a lot more. It'll have so many... resistors. Maybe. I assume.

NOS has SIGNIFICANT technical problems relating to high-order analog filters.

Sometimes you make me happy ... sometimes you make me sad  

ninjahamster said:

  Sometimes you make me happy ... sometimes you make me sad  

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Coupled with your avatar picture.. this is a pretty depressing image.

^^ Seriously, plus some of what his posts say....something disturbing is going on with that fellow.

ninjahamster said:

  Sometimes you make me happy ... sometimes you make me sad  

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Why so sad?

jason stoddard said:

  NOS has SIGNIFICANT technical problems relating to high-order analog filters.

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Jason, would you confirm that with heaphones like HD 800, Ragnarok would operate in Class A? I'm just curious about this.   

pidgeon said:

  Jason, would you confirm that with heaphones like HD 800, Ragnarok would operate in Class A? I'm just curious about this. 

 

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Yes.

pidgeon said:

  Why so sad?

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I see what you did there.