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post #1021 of 1092
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post
 

 

There actually aren't many IEMs at all that give you a truly accurate out of head sound staging. To my knowledge  the only IEMs that do this are the 1Plus2, Spiral Ear SE5 and Fit Ear 435? I'm not sure about the 335 but would love to hear that IEM as well :).

 

Have you heard the 3003? I was in love with the 1p2 soundstage until these babies. They showed me how sounds that traverse the left/right field on the 1p2 are rendered in a severe fashion. Also, while the 1p2 soundstage is massive, it's like a halo - it's kept out at a distance. The 3003 soundstage is also very large, but sounds can be in any location outward, giving them a very immersive experience. The 1p2's soundstage is like a large onion, but sound comes from the very outside layer. In the 3003, sound can come from any of the layers in the onion. It adds quite a bit to the imaging accuracy. 

 

You're right about not many headphones being able to break out of the congested soundstage mold. But there's a new era of IEMs now. They are getting better. 

post #1022 of 1092

Yes I've heard the AKG3003 before :). I preferred the original 1Plus2 to it as well as the 334. I did come close to purchasing it though before I heard the older 1Plus2 model even with the flaws it had (coherency was off on the pair I had, mids where a bit thin). I would particularly listen to them at lower volumes due in part to a peak in the lower treble upper mids area which would very much make them fatiguing at higher volumes. The treble on them though was superb and probably my favorite aspect about them overall. Wasn't very impressed with the bass though. I felt with the treble filter the coherency improved but you'd be more apt to pick up on sibilance. Overall less forgiving with the treble filter but still very much enjoyable on the tracks it worked well with. The bass filters were garbage, did nothing but muddy up the sound. The standard filters offered the most versatility.

 

Not having a detachable cable also played a roll in my decision. The unit I had on loan from bizkit already had one of the connectors failing (it was crimped, received them that way). For an IEM at this price range having a replaceable cable is very important for me as I don't see any piece of gear with such a design lasting very long. Especially after the warranty expires I'd be very concerned with such an investment...


Edited by lee730 - 11/4/13 at 10:09pm
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That's cool man. Nothing wrong with that. It's all about preference at this level. Seems like you like a more robust, thicker sound. Seems what you like has a little coloration, and a FR north of neutral. The 3003 are crazy neutral to me. They may not be as fun as the 1p2 for electronic dance, but to me, it's a more transparent experience, and fully immersive because of it. But when I want to listen to EDM, I don't listen on the 3003. EDM is not about transparency for me. When I heard the Stax 009, I knew I could never get rid of my more fun TH900, even though it wasn't as transparent. It had a special characteristic that was missing on the 009 on some genres. 

 

The bass of the 3003 is not something that stands out and wows you. It grows on you over time, and you realize how accurate and true it is in timbre. It's very natural sounding. 

 

Anyway, this thread isn't about these earphones. The Ocharaku offerings were the first IEMs that showed me that portable gear did not have to suffer from a congested soundstage. The 1p2 expounded upon that. But I still consider the KAEDE in a special group of earphones that redefined portable audio for me. 

post #1024 of 1092

Yep I do like a slightly thicker sound although you'll have people who will find even the 1Plus2 to be feather light on it's notes too. Both the 1Plus2 and the AKG3003 are on the neutral side yet I wouldn't call either of them dead neutral. I don't consider the AKG3003s treble neutral (including it's decay). It's more emphasized in my opinion. But to me its very own coloration in that regard is a plus.


Edited by lee730 - 11/5/13 at 8:42pm
post #1025 of 1092

Is anyway, foreiger access to fujiya-avic web store?  OR I don't know how to do it?

Can anyone explain to me? 

 

Thank you

post #1026 of 1092
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Yep I do like a slightly thicker sound although you'll have people who will find even the 1Plus2 to be feather light on it's notes too. Both the 1Plus2 and the AKG3003 are on the neutral side yet I wouldn't call either of them dead neutral. I don't consider the AKG3003s treble neutral (including it's decay). It's more emphasized in my opinion. But to me its very own coloration in that regard is a plus.

 

Yes, we're on the same page here. I definitely consider the 1p2 among the lightest I own. And I don't think either of them are dead neutral. 3003 more so. And when you compare it to the UERM that is supposed to be totally flat, the 3003 seems even more neutral to me. 

post #1027 of 1092
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Is anyway, foreiger access to fujiya-avic web store?  OR I don't know how to do it?
Can anyone explain to me? 

Thank you
You are of course welcome to view it as many others here have done. But ordering is a different issue. It accepts Japanese issued credit cards only & delivers to Japanese addresses only.
post #1028 of 1092
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You are of course welcome to view it as many others here have done. But ordering is a different issue. It accepts Japanese issued credit cards only & delivers to Japanese addresses only.


I found another ways.

1. Pricejapan

2. Musica acoustics...

I should be happy with these... biggrin.gif
post #1029 of 1092
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Yes, we're on the same page here. I definitely consider the 1p2 among the lightest I own. And I don't think either of them are dead neutral. 3003 more so. And when you compare it to the UERM that is supposed to be totally flat, the 3003 seems even more neutral to me. 

 

Wow so you consider the UERM less neutral than the AKG? More bass heavy? Sorry for being off topic by the way. We can take this to PM if necessary. Then again the thread has been pretty dead :P.

post #1030 of 1092
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I found another ways.

1. Pricejapan

2. Musica acoustics...

I should be happy with these... biggrin.gif

Those won't be the Fujiya Avic store, but you can definitely find many japanese products from those two choices.

post #1031 of 1092
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post
 

 

Then again the thread has been pretty dead :P.

 

Every thread of an iem you don't own or like is dead I assume.

post #1032 of 1092
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Originally Posted by gmahler2u View Post



I found another ways.



1. Pricejapan



2. Musica acoustics...



I should be happy with these... biggrin.gif

 



I also looked at these both. Although Musica Acoustics is more expensive you do get a 1 yr warranty. Price Japan told me you're on your own after purchase. Anyone hear different?
post #1033 of 1092
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Wow so you consider the UERM less neutral than the AKG? More bass heavy? Sorry for being off topic by the way. We can take this to PM if necessary. Then again the thread has been pretty dead :P.

 

Yes, lets take it to PM and let these Ocharaku guys have their relevant discourse. And since I'm posting, might as well answer for the benefit of all. 

 

Yes, I consider the UERM less neutral. I found it clearly had a stronger bass presence, and overall, a much thicker and colored sound all the way across, especially in the lows and mids. It was excellent. And a few years ago would have accepted it as very neutral. The 3003 sounds more neutral and natural to me. Not even really a comparison. 

post #1034 of 1092
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Every thread of an iem you don't own or like is dead I assume.

 

Like the broken FX700s you sold to me (had the filters removed without my knowledge or any notification of this modification) which ultimately led to the IEM failing and me out over $100? ;) Would have been more like $300+ if not for the extended warranty I purchased as a precaution. Please don't act like your sh*t don't stink.

 

 

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Yes, lets take it to PM and let these Ocharaku guys have their relevant discourse. And since I'm posting, might as well answer for the benefit of all. 

 

Yes, I consider the UERM less neutral. I found it clearly had a stronger bass presence, and overall, a much thicker and colored sound all the way across, especially in the lows and mids. It was excellent. And a few years ago would have accepted it as very neutral. The 3003 sounds more neutral and natural to me. Not even really a comparison. 

 

 

 

That's very interesting. It's nice to hear both sides of the coin. At least from all that I read people made it out to be like the most neutral IEM out there....


Edited by lee730 - 11/7/13 at 10:38pm
post #1035 of 1092
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post
 

 

Like the broken FX700s you sold to me (had the filters removed without my knowledge or any notification of this modification) which ultimately led to the IEM failing and me out over $100? ;) Would have been more like $300+ if not for the extended warranty I purchased as a precaution. Please don't act like your sh*t don't stink.

 

We got over this through pm, I sold you what I received. I didn't know how they should have been in the first place. Thank you for your coherence.

 

However, that was not my point about the Kaedes. I bet if the Kaede would have not been in limited quantity you would be all over ridiculing them, aka EX1000 stile ;)

 

You could create a new thread about other iems if you like. Let keep this about the marvelous Ocharaku Flat 4 KAEDE.


Edited by PCWar - 11/8/13 at 12:25am
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