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PONO - Neil Youngs portable hi-res music player
Apr 21, 2015 at 1:45 PM Post #2,851 of 4,864
rickhawk22 said:
  No need to uninstall PMW.
Its because the soundcard on your mac does not support native 192/24bit playback.  You can adjust that in the settings on PMW.  PMW is very consomizable, and I think that's why so many don't like it.  Its the opposite of iTunes, that is very limited in its customization. To change the output to your sound card, in the menu at the top, choose player, playback options.  Go to settings, DSP & Output Format.  Under sample rate, change the output to 44,100 for all the outputs.
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Hello Rick,
 
You are right in what the error code is telling stating. The problem with this is, PMW worked perfectly prior to me manually adding in the Eagle Hotel California Album from HDTracks.
Once I did that is when the errors started.
 
I have completed removed PMW and cleaning any remnants of the prior installation. I have re-installed it this morning. I have not imported music to it as of yet.I want to make sure when I import the music I do it the way PMW wants me to do it. I saw a video on the process, just have not done it yet. Hopefully this will fix the issue.
 
Regards,
Eric
 
Apr 21, 2015 at 2:29 PM Post #2,852 of 4,864
h20fidelity said:
rickhawk22 said:
Awesome, now time to enjoy the Pono, and give us impressions! 
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Definitely, I've been listening to Pono exclusively with my Etymotic ER4S (100ohm). First impressions are strongly positive. At first, I was quite certain my Hum Pervasion / Aurisonics ASG-2 would pull away from the Pono player with ER4S but it's not the case. Between DX90 / Pono I'm still undecided 100% on an answer.
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I have ER4P (I think) and the A83, posted earlier, I think my Ety sounds a bit dark/veiled with the Pono, may just need more juice to run optimally. Haven't compared directly yet, but listened a while back to my A83, may be a better pairing for the Pono. Just sayin' (if you like the sound presentation, by all means go with it, just how it seems to my ears)
 
Apr 21, 2015 at 2:35 PM Post #2,853 of 4,864
doctorjazz said:
I have ER4P (I think) and the A83, posted earlier, I think my Ety sounds a bit dark/veiled with the Pono, may just need more juice to run optimally. Haven't compared directly yet, but listened a while back to my A83, may be a better pairing for the Pono. Just sayin' (if you like the sound presentation, by all means go with it, just how it seems to my ears)
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It's a strange one actually, as another member in the Etymotic thread said similar to yourself (but with an ER4S). Labeling the pairing as warm, muddy, lacking dynamics which lines up a little with your dark wording. I do not hear this from Pono / ER4S, I actually find it quite clean, cleaner than my DX90 / A83 pairing.

I can agree to some extent with the lacking of dynamic comment the other member made as I've heard ER4S go to great powered levels with my JDS Labs C421 amp, but the rest I cannot associate with what I hear.
 
Apr 21, 2015 at 2:50 PM Post #2,854 of 4,864
My ER4S is recabled for 2-pin cables and I use it balanced withe the Pono. More power, not as dark.
 
Apr 21, 2015 at 3:10 PM Post #2,856 of 4,864
Yup, I always am amazed at how different things sound to different people. I think this is more so with headphones than full size components, where the sound propagates the same through the same room. I think people's ears are shaped differently, little fit/seal issues, shape of canal, all affect the sound, and the same headphones get completely different impressions from different folks (even leaving out the preference issue...some may like one set of speakers, others feel it is too, say, bass shy, but they will generally be able to describe it similarly). Very interesting...

h20fidelity said:
doctorjazz said:
I have ER4P (I think) and the A83, posted earlier, I think my Ety sounds a bit dark/veiled with the Pono, may just need more juice to run optimally. Haven't compared directly yet, but listened a while back to my A83, may be a better pairing for the Pono. Just sayin' (if you like the sound presentation, by all means go with it, just how it seems to my ears)
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It's a strange one actually, as another member in the Etymotic thread said similar to yourself (but with an ER4S). Labeling the pairing as warm, muddy, lacking dynamics which lines up a little with your dark wording. I do not hear this from Pono / ER4S, I actually find it quite clean, cleaner than my DX90 / A83 pairing.

I can agree to some extent with the lacking of dynamic comment the other member made as I've heard ER4S go to great powered levels with my JDS Labs C421 amp, but the rest I cannot associate with what I hear.
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It was a quick listen, walked around for a bit with it, and had a ciem for comparison, so may have sounded that way by comparison, but that was my impression on 1 listen. (I generally do LIKE the Etys...)
 
Apr 21, 2015 at 3:22 PM Post #2,857 of 4,864
doctorjazz said:
Yup, I always am amazed at how different things sound to different people. I think this is more so with headphones than full size components, where the sound propagates the same through the same room. I think people's ears are shaped differently, little fit/seal issues, shape of canal, all affect the sound, and the same headphones get completely different impressions from different folks (even leaving out the preference issue...some may like one set of speakers, others feel it is too, say, bass shy, but they will generally be able to describe it similarly). Very interesting...
It was a quick listen, walked around for a bit with it, and had a ciem for comparison, so may have sounded that way by comparison, but that was my impression on 1 listen. (I generally do LIKE the Etys...)
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Really strange.

I think the most I hear is a lack of power been described by most of us. Where ER4S do benefit from extra power I've heard them perform at excellent levels using DX50 line out to JDS C421 amp, that would be thier optimum performance for me personally. Pono cannot provide such output power levels which actually surprised me considering comments I'd been reading and what people pair with Pono.

But with Pono I find ER4S to sound ever so slightly bright, just fractionally which gives quite a clean, detailed presentation. I cannot hear any veil or warmth, instead slightly opposite.



Oh well, goes to show exactly what you said, hearing differently. =)
 
Apr 21, 2015 at 3:26 PM Post #2,858 of 4,864
imperialblade said:
  Hello Rick,
 
You are right in what the error code is telling stating. The problem with this is, PMW worked perfectly prior to me manually adding in the Eagle Hotel California Album from HDTracks.
Once I did that is when the errors started.
 
I have completed removed PMW and cleaning any remnants of the prior installation. I have re-installed it this morning. I have not imported music to it as of yet.I want to make sure when I import the music I do it the way PMW wants me to do it. I saw a video on the process, just have not done it yet. Hopefully this will fix the issue.
 
Regards,
Eric
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Had you played a 192/24bit file on PMW before this download?  The reason I ask is, once you confuse and get the stream coming up with errors, your not able to clear them until you get out of the software, and come back into it, and only play the 44/16 files.  It's odd I know, but I'm guessing that is the case here. You will have the same issue, until you get the output configured correctly.  Good Luck getting this working for you the way you want.
 
Apr 21, 2015 at 3:58 PM Post #2,859 of 4,864
rickhawk22 said:
 
Had you played a 192/24bit file on PMW before this download?  The reason I ask is, once you confuse and get the stream coming up with errors, your not able to clear them until you get out of the software, and come back into it, and only play the 44/16 files.  It's odd I know, but I'm guessing that is the case here. You will have the same issue, until you get the output configured correctly.  Good Luck getting this working for you the way you want.
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Hello RickHawk22,
 
I have been paying 192/24bit files on the Pono with no problem. I still may be able to, I have not tried after running into the issue I came across last night on PMW on my iMac. On the iMac is where the issues are being presented.
 
I will try importing music to the newly re-installed PMW on the iMac tonight to see of things clear up, and if so I will sync the Pono to receive the new Hotel California Album.
 
Regards,
Eric
 
Apr 21, 2015 at 4:04 PM Post #2,860 of 4,864
imperialblade said:
  Hello RickHawk22,
 
I have been paying 192/24bit files on the Pono with no problem. I still may be able to, I have not tried after running into the issue I came across last night on PMW on my iMac. On the iMac is where the issues are being presented.
 
I will try importing music to the newly re-installed PMW on the iMac tonight to see of things clear up, and if so I will sync the Pono to receive the new Hotel California Album.
 
Regards,
Eric
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The issue you described should have no bearing on the Pono player itself.  The issue only resides in the PMW software and its configuration. If you choose not to play files through the PMW through your sound card, then its a non issue, and you can just use it to synch up your library to the Pono player.
 
Apr 21, 2015 at 4:23 PM Post #2,861 of 4,864
h20fidelity said:
Do you also think it sounded dark using standard connection?

I do not hear this.
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Sorry, I was in the dentist chair and a little loopy when I wrote that. I will do a comparison tonight at home between single-ended and balanced ER4S with the Pono player.
 
Apr 21, 2015 at 4:48 PM Post #2,862 of 4,864
A note on 24/96 WAV files:
 
LPs that I like a lot I will record to the Mac Mini, edit in Audacity, and then import to Itunes at 24-bit, 96kHz. I've simply left these as WAV files, as they were exported from Audacity, and Itunes tags and plays them without problems.
 
The Pono player, however, itsn't entirely happy with these. I copy them to the device, drag-and-drop as I do with other albums, and all the files show up. In the Pono's display, however, sometimes the album art is missing, and half the tracks don't show up. I tried an experiment, converting some albums to Apple Lossless and then copying those to the Pono. These files work fine: everything shows up as it should.
 
My guess is that tagging is in something of a limbo state with WAV files, perhaps because it's an older format. Itunes knows its own tags but those tags may not always get through to another program. Tagging in ALAC seems to be robust, and I'd expect the same to be true of FLAC and MP3 (I'd happily use FLAC if Itunes could read these).
 
Apr 21, 2015 at 4:55 PM Post #2,863 of 4,864
lord chaos said:
  A note on 24/96 WAV files:
 
LPs that I like a lot I will record to the Mac Mini, edit in Audacity, and then import to Itunes at 24-bit, 96kHz. I've simply left these as WAV files, as they were exported from Audacity, and Itunes tags and plays them without problems.
 
The Pono player, however, itsn't entirely happy with these. I copy them to the device, drag-and-drop as I do with other albums, and all the files show up. In the Pono's display, however, sometimes the album art is missing, and half the tracks don't show up. I tried an experiment, converting some albums to Apple Lossless and then copying those to the Pono. These files work fine: everything shows up as it should.
 
My guess is that tagging is in something of a limbo state with WAV files, perhaps because it's an older format. Itunes knows its own tags but those tags may not always get through to another program. Tagging in ALAC seems to be robust, and I'd expect the same to be true of FLAC and MP3 (I'd happily use FLAC if Itunes could read these).
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I've always understood that WAV files struggle to support tagging information, and why its not used much for this type of use.  Do a search on the Internet and you'll probably find information for this issue.
Here is some good discussion about it.   
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?94016-Is-it-possible-to-tag-WAV-files
 
Apr 21, 2015 at 6:19 PM Post #2,864 of 4,864
brcmrgn said:
  Sorry, I was in the dentist chair and a little loopy when I wrote that. I will do a comparison tonight at home between single-ended and balanced ER4S with the Pono player.
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So when I got home I dug out my ER4S and tried it with the Pono single-ended and balanced. First, let me say that everytime I listen to the ER4S, I can't get over how lean it sounds (always more than I remember) - not my cup of tea really. Of the IEMs at that end of the spectrum, I much prefer the FitEar 111 and the JH Angie. Back to Pono - the balanced connections take 2-3 click less on the volume to match and both the treble and bass have more body. 50% volume was adequate on the tracks that I listened to and while I don't really enjoy the ER4S (sorry!), it is noticeably better with a balanced connection.  My regular source for the ER4S is an HM-901 with the balanced amp card - not shortage of power there.  
 
Apr 21, 2015 at 6:30 PM Post #2,865 of 4,864
lord chaos said:
  A note on 24/96 WAV files:
 
LPs that I like a lot I will record to the Mac Mini, edit in Audacity, and then import to Itunes at 24-bit, 96kHz. I've simply left these as WAV files, as they were exported from Audacity, and Itunes tags and plays them without problems.
 
The Pono player, however, itsn't entirely happy with these. I copy them to the device, drag-and-drop as I do with other albums, and all the files show up. In the Pono's display, however, sometimes the album art is missing, and half the tracks don't show up. I tried an experiment, converting some albums to Apple Lossless and then copying those to the Pono. These files work fine: everything shows up as it should.
 
My guess is that tagging is in something of a limbo state with WAV files, perhaps because it's an older format. Itunes knows its own tags but those tags may not always get through to another program. Tagging in ALAC seems to be robust, and I'd expect the same to be true of FLAC and MP3 (I'd happily use FLAC if Itunes could read these).
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WAV files tend to be good at retaining metadata on a single machine, but go a little bugflark when transferred. Fair enough; they're not really supposed to carry tags.
 
So FLAC the damn things! Less space used, no loss of quality and you can populate those data fields to your heart's content - they will transfer to any other FLAC-playing piece of machinery. And if you really need to downgrade to MP3, those tags should carry across.
 
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