Final Audio Design Impressions and Discussion Thread
Aug 18, 2012 at 8:18 AM Post #271 of 11,648
I first heard of VdGG when, almost by accident, I learned that a certain guitarist I happen to respect a lot (RF) had contributed just a bit of guitar playing to two VdGG albums (H to He & Pawn Hearts). That was 1979. I had to wait 26 years to see the band live at (what was supposed to be at the time) their one-off reunion performance at the Royal Festival Hall (London) in May 2005. I think at the time it'd been 27-29 years since the 4 members had played live as a unit.
 
It was an incredibly emotional concert both for the band and the audience. One great thing about that concert was that the acoustics of the RFH were phenomenal, not too loud, not quiet, just right, you could hear all instruments and PH's voice very clearly (I saw Tool around that time and, unfortunately, I had to walk out the Brixton Academy 15 mins into the gig because the sound was horribly loud and muddy -- a real shame because the audience and venue were great). VdGG's opening track that night, "The Undercover Man", was quite simply something else. Definitely one of the best gigs I've ever been to.

Only two months later they performed again in London at the Shepherds Bush Empire, a much more intimate venue. The gig took place exactly the day after the London bombings of July 2005, and VdGG decided not to cancel the concert. There was a sense of urgency and meaning to that particular performance -- simply unforgettable. The band were definitely not going through the motions that evening -- they were present. I'd bought a ticket for my sister (and best friend) because she knew how much her beloved brother loved VdGG. She, unfortunately, decided not to come with me because of the bombings and the fear of taking the tube the very next day. The clip posted above (Man-Erg) pales in comparison to how VdGG performed that same song on those two very special evenings.

And to make this post seem like it is still related to the Piano Fortes / FAD, I'll say that I find H to He, Godbluff & Still life to sound even better on the IXs than Pawn Hearts. Although not the most daring / innovative album, I think Still Life is the best VdGG album, their most mature and focused effort, an underrated masterpiece. Godbluff is a close second.
 
Aug 18, 2012 at 8:39 AM Post #273 of 11,648
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Granted, I'm not really a rock person, but I feel so unordained and uncultured.
 
I keep thinking of electric fields and inverse square laws whenever VdGG comes up...

 
Well, VdGG (the band) is indeed about "electric fields and inverse square laws", ie about taking risks.
 
Aug 18, 2012 at 10:08 AM Post #274 of 11,648
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Lucky.
 
I discovered them in college as an undergrad. There was a small record shop down the road, and in between classes I'd walk over there to get out of the heat and browse their selection. The owner was quite knowledgeable and introduced me to some great music.
 
During that same period I discovered Hawkwind, Incredible String Band, T2 ("It'll All Work Out in Boomland"), Bachdenkel, Kaleidoscope, 50 Ft Hose, Illyas Ahmed....

 
I know Hawkwind. I will have to look at some of the others.
 
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And to make this post seem like it is still related to the Piano Fortes / FAD, I'll say that I find H to He, Godbluff & Still life to sound even better on the IXs than Pawn Hearts. Although not the most daring / innovative album, I think Still Life is the best VdGG album, their most mature and focused effort, an underrated masterpiece. Godbluff is a close second.

 
I was just listening to Still Life on the PF IX earlier today. Very nice indeed. Godbluff competes with Pawn Hearts as my favorite. There are also some fine songs on the earlier Least We Can Do... and Hydrogen....
 
When She Comes from World Record was a great concert opener. :)
 
The cool glass-works lady at the summer camp introduced me to a number of other interesting bands like Magma, Soft Machine, Hatfield and the North, and Lindisfarne. Recently I have been going back and exploring Lindisfarne more deeply. The late Alan Hull was a fine songwriter and this classic sounds wonderful on the PF IX.
 

 
Aug 18, 2012 at 2:20 PM Post #276 of 11,648
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I have a question for 1601 owners please. How is the isolation with the solid silicon tips? Does it isolate at all?
 
Thanks.

 
Moderately. Because the 1601 weighs so much however, I find they have a tendency to not hold a seal well if I'm moving around.
 
Aug 18, 2012 at 2:24 PM Post #277 of 11,648
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Moderately. Because the 1601 weighs so much however, I find they have a tendency to not hold a seal well if I'm moving around.

 
Thank you. I don't need them to hold a seal while I walk around. I just want headpones that I can take into loudish coffee shops and still enjoy. If the 1601s can provide even 10dB+ of isolation, that could be useful.
 
Aug 18, 2012 at 2:48 PM Post #278 of 11,648
I also find isolation to be moderate (or still fairly poor). The thing is that while you may achieve just a tad more isolation, the overall very special stock sound of the 1601s will (somewhat) suffer. The near-complete lack of isolation is, in my view, a necessary aspect of this phone -- unless you decided to EQ them, but I still think you'd find isolation inadequate. I also doubt EQ'ing would match the stock sound you get with the thick metal tips.
 
Aug 18, 2012 at 2:56 PM Post #279 of 11,648
I just had a massive scare... I took out my FI-BA-SS after about a week of not listening to them, and to my horror, the right ear was softer than the left. For voices, the stereo image was clearly deviated to the left.
 
I tried adjusting everything --- cable position, canal depth, equalizing air pressure, etc. Nothing worked.
 
I was running straight out of the laptop, and I tried other earphones, but they seemed to be okay. Fearing the worst, I then tried it on another source, my DAP, and to my surprise there was no problem. More surprise ensued as all of my earphones worked fine on the DAP, and off my DAC/amp.
 
However, when I plug the SS into the laptop, it'll still have an odd channel imbalance that doesn't seem to affect other earphones. I don't get it.
 
Aug 19, 2012 at 12:08 AM Post #280 of 11,648
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I also find isolation to be moderate (or still fairly poor). The thing is that while you may achieve just a tad more isolation, the overall very special stock sound of the 1601s will (somewhat) suffer. The near-complete lack of isolation is, in my view, a necessary aspect of this phone -- unless you decided to EQ them, but I still think you'd find isolation inadequate. I also doubt EQ'ing would match the stock sound you get with the thick metal tips.

 
Thanks.
 
The 1601s also aren't so easy to find these days.
 
Aug 20, 2012 at 8:15 AM Post #283 of 11,648
Personally, I find the TG 334 to be the more transparent / neutral / accurate / whatever-you-want-to-call-it of the two. It's a monitor earphone first and foremost, and this is what Suyama had in mind when designing it. I find it is very much the chameleon: it plays well with just about any genre, and gives you pretty much exactly what's in a given track. It has an intimate---but by no means suffocating---presentation. There is just the slightest hint of richness or "musicality" (I dislike using the term, but have an almost compulsive urge to do so).
 
By comparison the FI-BA-SS is very much a "hi-fi" or audiophile earphone in my opinion. Its treble is a tad emphasized to accentuate details, and it has a more ruthless and hyper-focused quality which requires more selectivity in what you choose to listen to with it. It renders textures exquisitely, and it has a very coherent and solid quality with regard to the positioning / imaging and feel of instruments. In terms of tonal balance I personally find the TG 334 preferable; I could live with the TG 334 as my only earphone, whereas I would be more reluctant to have the FI-BA-SS by its lonesome. That being said it excels over the TG 334 when it comes to subtlety and finesse. It gets into the little nooks and crannies of a track, and it more freely relates the micro-transactions that can be glossed over by others.
 
Overall I'd say their strengths [for me, at least] can be summed up thusly: the TG 334 does many different things very well and is pretty much the most well-rounded earphone I've ever used, whereas the FI-BA-SS does a few things shockingly well but is less well-rounded.
 
Aug 20, 2012 at 11:55 AM Post #284 of 11,648
Epiphany.  
 
The greatest compliment that I can give to the PF IX is this:  I find myself effortlessly listening to and enjoying certain good but <more intimidating / less accessible> albums from beginning to end that I rarely succeeded in listening to in their entirety before.
 
Aug 20, 2012 at 7:22 PM Post #285 of 11,648
So. You guys are in trouble! I am right at the moment figuring out what is needed to get me into Piano Forte IX land.. Watch this space, Oh yes, I blame it all on you!:D
 

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