**Hifiman HE-400 Impressions and Discussion Thread**
Feb 7, 2013 at 12:45 AM Post #6,991 of 22,116
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 it seems the HE-400 have a pretty neutral sound to an extent. 

The HE-400 is not neutral, it's closer to natural, the difference is pretty big. According to David, the HE-400 is a "master" at EDM and Jazz, so this phone is probably for you. http://www.head-fi.org/t/634201/battle-of-the-flagships-57-headphones-compared-update-hifiman-he-400-added-12-24-12
 
Feb 7, 2013 at 12:55 AM Post #6,992 of 22,116
The HE-4 is considerably more neutral and natural for me, though the HE400 is incredibly musical.
 
Feb 7, 2013 at 3:08 AM Post #6,993 of 22,116
Originally Posted by Ohnoitztotoro /img/forum/go_quote.gif

Hi everyone! This is my first post here on the forums. I've been reading here for the past 4-5 months but never really thought to make an account since the search function almost always gave me the answer I was looking for. I was wondering if I could get some opinions on what would best compliment the HE-400. I mainly listen to 50% EDM and 50% Jazz (Diana Krall, Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, Nora Jones etc.) with some classical/piano sprinkled in. 
 
I purchased both the Sennheiser HD600 & HD650 to compare and choose from as my first mid level headphone (will return/sell one back). These are my opinions on them and I would really appreciate if someone could give some input on which would be a better compliment to the HE-400 I've been eyeing for a while.  
 
Overall I found the HD600 to be the better performer. Everything I had sounded excellent  although a tad bit thin sounding at times. They are definitely what I'd consider as the jack of all trades. Although I also do enjoy their higher, more energetic sound signature a lot. At times though, I do feel myself wanting a bit more body in the sound while at other times they sound perfectly fine.
 
The HD650 in contrast sounded great with everything but the Jazz songs sounded so full and amazing. The sound really felt like a warm blanket that your mom would tuck over you as a child, bundled right up to your neck  and under your body on a cold winter night whereas the HD600 felt like she put it up just past your chest. The trade off is that IMO the HD650's falter in some genres. They sound great with EDM and other genres but I can definitely hear parts that just seem quite slow or off due to the full bodied sound. Sometimes it is just too smooth that the details get choked by the overall signature. So my dilemma currently falls under picking a headphone that has no faults but does not master any genre (HD600) or a headphone that has some faults but is a master at my jazz side (HD650).
 
This is where I would like some input. Do people who own the HE-400 feel that the HD650 are more of the same? I realize they are both colored headphones and I am not looking to get the HE-400 in the future only to have my HD650's sitting to the side neglected :p I have heard they are amazing at EDM which is why I have been eyeing these to buy in the relatively near future. Does it make sense to have the HD600 compliment the HE-400 instead since one is bright and one is on the darker tone? There have been quite a few conflicting descriptions of the HE-400's sound signature. Some say its quite neutral while others say its quite dark which has me scratching my head. I would just like to evaluate if it makes more sense to have an amazing all purpose HD600 with an HE-400 (neutral and dark headphones) or are the HE-400 and HD650 really different enough to own them as complimentary to each other? 
 
Thanks so much for your help everyone! It is a long write so I apologize but I did not want to start a new thread as a newbie, only to take upon the wrath of the entire forum D:  I figure this thread was the most impartial since if I tried asking this in either the HD650 or HD600 appreciation thread, I am sure they'd be incredibly bias haha. 
 

 
I have the HE-400 & had the HD600 for some time (only reason I sold the HD600 recently was cause I moved up to the HD800).  I'd say the 600 & 400 are very complimentary.  As far as the HE-400 being neutral.. it's not.. the bass is very linear, but it is slightly emphasized.  Then there's the shallow 'dip' between 1K & 8K (which gives it the signature 'dark' character).. and finally you have the emphasized mid/upper treble.  The thing is, all this coloration is done so tastefully that the HE-400 seems to possess the kind of versatility that many 'neutral' phones are renowned for.  Going from the HE-400 to the HD600, you lose some of that speedy bass that orthos are known for.. but you gain better midrange transparency & accuracy.  The HD600's treble might seem more exaggerated than it really is until your ears adjust (since the HE-400 have a sparkly, open treble response).
 
Feb 7, 2013 at 3:39 AM Post #6,995 of 22,116
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I don't think pad-fi is crazy. Apart from the source and the drivers themselfs, the pads are the biggest contributor to sound.
 
Cables on the other hand...

It's crazy for the layperson though, just the concept of taking a product apart and mutilating parts of it based solely on trusting someone else's words.
 
Feb 7, 2013 at 5:44 AM Post #6,997 of 22,116
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Add it to the FAQ
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Feb 7, 2013 at 6:11 AM Post #6,999 of 22,116
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Thanks for the input FlySweep!
 
I don't have any problem with accepting that the g109 is better than the integrated amp of the hud-mx1, however I has no money for that!
The G103 is significantly cheaper, about 750 euros cheaper.
 
You know what? When I have the money I'll buy the G103, I can very easily return it anyway.
 
Other contenders would be the magni or 02, but those will have to travel overseas and pass through customs. this wouldn't make them much cheaper.
The integrated amp of the hud-mx1 is indeed slightly bright, but it's also very clear (not because of the brightness). It's very clean and clear sounding throughout the spectrum, atleast compared to the e9.
 
I've had the hud-mx1 vs e9 discussion before, and most people seemed to really like the HE-400 with the e9. I don't and it almost made me think my e9 was faulty.

 
 
About the HE-400 with the E9 (Fiio E9 in my case), i got it and returned it the next day and got the Asgard (now waiting for a 3.5mm jack to double RCA cable).
When i listened to some very clean and clear flac, i got background noice even at low gain with the E17 docked.
It was very clear for me that the E9 was a step back from just the E17, while the asgard was a definite upgrade (this is ofc in my personal opinion).
 
Feb 7, 2013 at 7:46 AM Post #7,000 of 22,116
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What is pad-fi?

 
Pad-Fi is when you have your apartment or home all decked out in Hi Fidelity gear.  It certainly tends to lean itself more to a "man cave" but on a greater scale.  A man cave is limited to one room.  But, a Pad-Fi is the whole unit, all the rooms, etc. are all equipped with musical hi fidelity goodness.
 
There is no connected male that is known to ever have a Pad-Fi and only tends to really be present when that male individual is single.  No woman, or significant other would put up with any crap known as "Pad-Fi" because it would get in the way of the other decorating that would need to be done to the place.  
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Feb 7, 2013 at 8:37 AM Post #7,003 of 22,116
Honest answer:Adding -fi to anything as if there is a forum, sub-forum about it.

Head-fi: Headphone talk
Beer-fi : All about beers
Pad-fi: Talk about pads
Summit-fi: Talk about high end equipment


etc, etc.
 
Feb 7, 2013 at 8:39 AM Post #7,004 of 22,116
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Honest answer: Head-fi forum members have a tendency to add -fi to anything as if there is a forum,sub-forum about it. Like a new branch of head-fi all about specific things.

Head-fi: Headphone talk
Beer-fi : All about beers
Pad-fi: Talk about pads


etc, etc.

Well -fi stands for fidelity, so preferably the prefix needs to be relevant to audio performance. Then again it might just be a head-fi "identity" thing and has no audio bearing whatsoever.
 
Feb 7, 2013 at 8:40 AM Post #7,005 of 22,116
http://www.head-fi.org/f/90/gear-fi-non-audio-gear-and-gadgets

Case in point. Look at all the -fi threads.

Long story short: Adding -fi to a subject makes it all about said subject.

Jerg is technically correct, but it has been adapted to what you see there.
 

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