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post #17566 of 18086
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

If you're disappointed with the HE-400's bass then you'll most likely be disappointed with HD650 and any other open headphones.  Get a closed headphone.

 

You're probably right. The HE-400 seem to be great overall headphones and I do enjoy them. When buying I thought they'd be superb as EDC cans as well, but I'm just too bass hungry unfortunately.

 

Does anybody happen to know of cheaper Fostex TH-900 sounding headphones? Those seem to be superb and pretty much exactly what I'm missing/ looking for, but they do cost a lot. I wish Denon's D were still around.

 

Thanks for the replies!

post #17567 of 18086

The TH-600's can sometimes be found for ~$600, and I think any HE-400 lover would appreciate the TH-600's signature and coherency and different approach to getting the same style of 'engaging sound'.

post #17568 of 18086
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Originally Posted by Mani ATH 87 View Post
 

http://head-direct.com/Products/?act=detail&id=198

Stock pads for the 560

http://head-direct.com/Products/?act=detail&id=203

pre order pads for the 560's

This is different then what was available yesterday

does anyone have any comparisons between these two pads with the HE-400?


Let the pad tests begin  . . . . They both look like mass-production versions of the "Jergmod" pads. One is basically angled, better damped pleather, the other, velour. I'd expect the velours to sound more or less the same, and the pleathers to have the same "warm" sound with a little less congestion.

 

But $40 bucks? Come ooooooooooooon! I'd love to see some actually test results of these on the HE-400s!

post #17569 of 18086
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Originally Posted by TranceDude View Post
 

 

You're probably right. The HE-400 seem to be great overall headphones and I do enjoy them. When buying I thought they'd be superb as EDC cans as well, but I'm just too bass hungry unfortunately.

 

Does anybody happen to know of cheaper Fostex TH-900 sounding headphones? Those seem to be superb and pretty much exactly what I'm missing/ looking for, but they do cost a lot. I wish Denon's D were still around.

 

Thanks for the replies!


Still plenty of used Denon's on the for sale boards.  Usually a D2000 or D7000 available within the first few pages. 

post #17570 of 18086

Do any of you hear a hiss when using the Schiit Vali with this headphone? Thinking of pulling the trigger on the Vali/Modi, but I found a lot of reports of hiss. additionally, has anyone had the tubes die in the Vali, and was it able to be handled without buying another? thanks in advance

post #17571 of 18086

Hey guys, just got the HE 400.  I have to say that they are the best pair of over ears I've owned.  Traded leathers for velours and haven't tried leather yet.  For over ears, they are the best I got.  But all I have to compare it to atm is my jh16's so ill post amateur impressions for those curious.  Im just running it through my fiio x5 + jds labs c5 amp:

 

Highs:  The highs are either raised or im just used to the jh16's rolled back treble.  So this is what they mean by fatigue, finally got it haha.  I'll get used to it though because it's not too bad.  Its definitely more sibilant than the 16's.  Also sounds a bit tinny, and you can hear the sharp 'S's in the high hats and words with 's' in them.  I hope it 'burns in' and goes away. 

 

Mids:  Female vocals sound a little more 'female' than on the jh16's.  I think this is what they call 'tonality' which is slightly better than the jh16's. Sometimes the jh16's sound a little too thick in this area, but the he-400s are just right in comparison. I also thought the mids would be horribly recessed like I've read many times through these forums.  Surprisingly, it doesn't sound like it at all! 

 

Lows:  Definitely not bass head headphones.   And some have described the bass as 'flat' and I would have to agree.  Its bass does exist though, and I think should do the job for non-bass heads.  It goes pretty deep. In comparison though, the jh16's have about 10x the bass power and detail.  bass speed seems to be on equal footing.  All in all though, the bass quantity isn't where I'd hoped, but it is still good enough to satisfy me when listening to tracks other than electronic/hip hop.  I can get more bass if I squeeze the cups against my head hard enough too.

 

Distortion:  You can listen to it pretty loudly, but anything with bass will distort and you'll have to turn it down unfortunately.  And if you're thinking about eq-ing bass, just forget about it.  Guaranteed distortion even at low levels.  In comparison, the jh16's can go up till your ears bleed and not distort. 

 

Details:  Its a step more detailed than my 16's.  Still a plus.  It sounds more organic than my 16's too, not like the 16's are bad though.

 

Sound stage:  It's surprisingly maybe just a hair bigger than the jh16's. That either speaks alot for the 16's or the he-400 stage is just meh. 

 

Resonance:  This is what I noticed right away coming from my jh16's to the he-400's.  Even though these are open back, I can hear the sound echo off the protective grill.  It took a few minutes to get used to, but if I concentrate, it'll still bother me.  It's not bad though because it's heaven compared to closed end headphones.  Surprisingly, the jh16's have NONE of that resonance/ echoey sound even though it is completely sealed.  However, you won't notice this if you come from closed headphones/earbuds. 

 

Comfort:  Okay, the jh16's beat it hands down because they're ciems.  But I'm sure you all knew that.  But anyway, people say that it's too tight, but I would actually like it a little tighter.  I got a big head too, nearly tore my mom in half when I was born.

 

I know its an unfair comparison, seeing that the he-400s are $300, and the jh16's $1300.  But the HE-400 holds its own very well against the jh16's and even traded a few blows.  If the HE-400 was able to put out as much bass as the jh16's, they would definitely be my go-to's.  For those that don't care about gobs of bass, or don't mind just a smidge of sibilance, these will definitely be your go-to's. 

 

Also this was done with less than hour of use so my impressions will probably favor the he400 more later.  At least I don't hate it out of the box like I did my jh16's, which is very promising.  These will be my desktop headphones, used in conjunction with my oculus rift head set.  I'd use my jh16's instead but the he400 cables are alot more durable than my custom silver iem cables.

post #17572 of 18086

Hey guys, I just picked up a pair of these, should be coming in the mail in the next couple of weeks.

 

However, I'm having a problem deciding on a suitable DAC/Amp combination (or all-in-one). My budget is around the $150 to $200 mark, can't really stretch beyond that.

 

At the moment I'm looking at the E17 with a view to picking up an E09k and the Audinst HUD-MX1, but I'm not sure about whether those'll be enough to drive it. The Schiit Modi/Magni combo is intriguing but the lack of portability and extra RCA outputs is kind of a problem as I want to plug my speakers into it and possibly take it around with my laptop.

 

Any other recommendations/advice? Cheers in advance.

post #17573 of 18086

hopefully i am able to cancel my first order for the non preorder version. They haven't shipped yet, despite it being nearly a week since i ordered : /


Edited by Atavax - 7/9/14 at 8:18pm
post #17574 of 18086
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Originally Posted by chengsta View Post

Hey guys, just got the HE 400.  I have to say that they are the best pair of over ears I've owned.  Traded leathers for velours and haven't tried leather yet.  For over ears, they are the best I got.  But all I have to compare it to atm is my jh16's so ill post amateur impressions for those curious.  Im just running it through my fiio x5 + jds labs c5 amp:

Highs:  The highs are either raised or im just used to the jh16's rolled back treble.  So this is what they mean by fatigue, finally got it haha.  I'll get used to it though because it's not too bad.  Its definitely more sibilant than the 16's.  Also sounds a bit tinny, and you can hear the sharp 'S's in the high hats and words with 's' in them.  I hope it 'burns in' and goes away. 

Mids:  Female vocals sound a little more 'female' than on the jh16's.  I think this is what they call 'tonality' which is slightly better than the jh16's. Sometimes the jh16's sound a little too thick in this area, but the he-400s are just right in comparison. I also thought the mids would be horribly recessed like I've read many times through these forums.  Surprisingly, it doesn't sound like it at all! 

Lows:  Definitely not bass head headphones.   And some have described the bass as 'flat' and I would have to agree.  Its bass does exist though, and I think should do the job for non-bass heads.  It goes pretty deep. In comparison though, the jh16's have about 10x the bass power and detail.  bass speed seems to be on equal footing.  All in all though, the bass quantity isn't where I'd hoped, but it is still good enough to satisfy me when listening to tracks other than electronic/hip hop.  I can get more bass if I squeeze the cups against my head hard enough too.

Distortion:  You can listen to it pretty loudly, but anything with bass will distort and you'll have to turn it down unfortunately.  And if you're thinking about eq-ing bass, just forget about it.  Guaranteed distortion even at low levels.  In comparison, the jh16's can go up till your ears bleed and not distort. 

Details:  Its a step more detailed than my 16's.  Still a plus.  It sounds more organic than my 16's too, not like the 16's are bad though.

Sound stage:  It's surprisingly maybe just a hair bigger than the jh16's. That either speaks alot for the 16's or the he-400 stage is just meh. 

Resonance:  This is what I noticed right away coming from my jh16's to the he-400's.  Even though these are open back, I can hear the sound echo off the protective grill.  It took a few minutes to get used to, but if I concentrate, it'll still bother me.  It's not bad though because it's heaven compared to closed end headphones.  Surprisingly, the jh16's have NONE of that resonance/ echoey sound even though it is completely sealed.  However, you won't notice this if you come from closed headphones/earbuds. 

Comfort:  Okay, the jh16's beat it hands down because they're ciems.  But I'm sure you all knew that.  But anyway, people say that it's too tight, but I would actually like it a little tighter.  I got a big head too, nearly tore my mom in half when I was born.

I know its an unfair comparison, seeing that the he-400s are $300, and the jh16's $1300.  But the HE-400 holds its own very well against the jh16's and even traded a few blows.  If the HE-400 was able to put out as much bass as the jh16's, they would definitely be my go-to's.  For those that don't care about gobs of bass, or don't mind just a smidge of sibilance, these will definitely be your go-to's. 

Also this was done with less than hour of use so my impressions will probably favor the he400 more later.  At least I don't hate it out of the box like I did my jh16's, which is very promising.  These will be my desktop headphones, used in conjunction with my oculus rift head set.  I'd use my jh16's instead but the he400 cables are alot more durable than my custom silver iem cables.

Gotta say, out of a vintage amp these have PLENTY of bass and do not distort in the bass at all. It may be your C5 is the issue. Out of a Pioneer 50 WPC integrated amp it has lots of headroom.
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post


Gotta say, out of a vintage amp these have PLENTY of bass and do not distort in the bass at all. It may be your C5 is the issue. Out of a Pioneer 50 WPC integrated amp it has lots of headroom.


I was thinking that my amps probably weren't strong enough.  I tried a digizoid zo2 with same results.  I probably need a full powered desktop amp or something.

post #17576 of 18086
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Originally Posted by chengsta View Post
 


I was thinking that my amps probably weren't strong enough.  I tried a digizoid zo2 with same results.  I probably need a full powered desktop amp or something.


Yep, I never bought the C5 based on output before.

You need to daisy chain the Zoid into a portable amp such as E12 at the very least for planars.

 

Edit : Though the Ifi iCan with internal battery is looking like a better buy than E12 DIY which is a more refined E12. 


Edited by Lohb - 7/9/14 at 9:58pm
post #17577 of 18086

if you wanna improve soundstage and resonance issues, this is a good option

http://www.head-fi.org/t/619447/hifiman-regrilling-mod

post #17578 of 18086

Yep, going to do the regrilling mod.

post #17579 of 18086
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Originally Posted by pompower View Post
 

Hey guys, I just picked up a pair of these, should be coming in the mail in the next couple of weeks.

 

However, I'm having a problem deciding on a suitable DAC/Amp combination (or all-in-one). My budget is around the $150 to $200 mark, can't really stretch beyond that.

 

At the moment I'm looking at the E17 with a view to picking up an E09k and the Audinst HUD-MX1, but I'm not sure about whether those'll be enough to drive it. The Schiit Modi/Magni combo is intriguing but the lack of portability and extra RCA outputs is kind of a problem as I want to plug my speakers into it and possibly take it around with my laptop.

 

Any other recommendations/advice? Cheers in advance.

 

I have FiiO E07k/E09k and like it a lot.  I listen to different styles of music and having ability to adjust gain/bass/treble is very handy.  


Others that I considered in this price range (so you should to) are ODac and O2 (amp) as well as the Schiit stack (Modi and Magni or Vali) - which you already mentioned...

post #17580 of 18086
Quote:
Originally Posted by chengsta View Post
 

Hey guys, just got the HE 400.  I have to say that they are the best pair of over ears I've owned.  Traded leathers for velours and haven't tried leather yet.  For over ears, they are the best I got.  But all I have to compare it to atm is my jh16's so ill post amateur impressions for those curious.  Im just running it through my fiio x5 + jds labs c5 amp:

 

Highs:  The highs are either raised or im just used to the jh16's rolled back treble.  So this is what they mean by fatigue, finally got it haha.  I'll get used to it though because it's not too bad.  Its definitely more sibilant than the 16's.  Also sounds a bit tinny, and you can hear the sharp 'S's in the high hats and words with 's' in them.  I hope it 'burns in' and goes away. 

 

Mids:  Female vocals sound a little more 'female' than on the jh16's.  I think this is what they call 'tonality' which is slightly better than the jh16's. Sometimes the jh16's sound a little too thick in this area, but the he-400s are just right in comparison. I also thought the mids would be horribly recessed like I've read many times through these forums.  Surprisingly, it doesn't sound like it at all! 

 

Lows:  Definitely not bass head headphones.   And some have described the bass as 'flat' and I would have to agree.  Its bass does exist though, and I think should do the job for non-bass heads.  It goes pretty deep. In comparison though, the jh16's have about 10x the bass power and detail.  bass speed seems to be on equal footing.  All in all though, the bass quantity isn't where I'd hoped, but it is still good enough to satisfy me when listening to tracks other than electronic/hip hop.  I can get more bass if I squeeze the cups against my head hard enough too.

 

Distortion:  You can listen to it pretty loudly, but anything with bass will distort and you'll have to turn it down unfortunately.  And if you're thinking about eq-ing bass, just forget about it.  Guaranteed distortion even at low levels.  In comparison, the jh16's can go up till your ears bleed and not distort. 

 

Details:  Its a step more detailed than my 16's.  Still a plus.  It sounds more organic than my 16's too, not like the 16's are bad though.

 

Sound stage:  It's surprisingly maybe just a hair bigger than the jh16's. That either speaks alot for the 16's or the he-400 stage is just meh. 

 

Resonance:  This is what I noticed right away coming from my jh16's to the he-400's.  Even though these are open back, I can hear the sound echo off the protective grill.  It took a few minutes to get used to, but if I concentrate, it'll still bother me.  It's not bad though because it's heaven compared to closed end headphones.  Surprisingly, the jh16's have NONE of that resonance/ echoey sound even though it is completely sealed.  However, you won't notice this if you come from closed headphones/earbuds. 

 

Comfort:  Okay, the jh16's beat it hands down because they're ciems.  But I'm sure you all knew that.  But anyway, people say that it's too tight, but I would actually like it a little tighter.  I got a big head too, nearly tore my mom in half when I was born.

 

I know its an unfair comparison, seeing that the he-400s are $300, and the jh16's $1300.  But the HE-400 holds its own very well against the jh16's and even traded a few blows.  If the HE-400 was able to put out as much bass as the jh16's, they would definitely be my go-to's.  For those that don't care about gobs of bass, or don't mind just a smidge of sibilance, these will definitely be your go-to's. 

 

Also this was done with less than hour of use so my impressions will probably favor the he400 more later.  At least I don't hate it out of the box like I did my jh16's, which is very promising.  These will be my desktop headphones, used in conjunction with my oculus rift head set.  I'd use my jh16's instead but the he400 cables are alot more durable than my custom silver iem cables.

I think a lot of your issues can be solved with a more powerful amp and pleather pads vs. the velours. It's not a D7000 with the bass but quite good and I have never heard sibilance.

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