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post #5131 of 5142
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Originally Posted by zzvelik View Post
 

I posted my question below earlier on the DX50 thread, but just noticed this thread & will post my Q here since my aim is to use the N7's USB audio port along with the DX50 as the DAC/Amp:

 

Anyone tried using the latest Nexus 7 USB Rom with the DX50?

 

http://mehrvarz.github.io/nexus-7-usbrom/

Supported USB audio devices

These are just some of the supported USB DAC's: CM106-F, FiiO E07 + E10 + E17, Hifimediy Sabre, VIA USB Audio Dongle, Behringer UFO202 + UCA202 + UCA222, Syba SD-CM-UAUD, Miditech Audioface2 (PCM 2902), FujitsuSiemens PortReplicator (CM 108), Aune T1 (TE7022), Turtle Beach Micro II, BERESFORD Caiman, Teralink x2, Headroom Total Bithead, Fostex PC-100USB.
Basically all standard USB audio devices should work.
Problems have been reported only with TAS1020B based DAC's.

 

The DX50 is not listed, but I'm trying to find a way to use it as a DAC since Ibasso is still awaiting for certification of its drivers from MSFT.

 

Apparently, the iBasso DX50 can't work with a Mac: it is not a standard USB DAC.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/679473/the-ibasso-dx50-thread-latest-firmware-1-5-0/14205#post_10712852

 

As far as I know, existing Android USB audio implementations are only compatible with standard USB DAC, i.e. compatible with USB Audio Class (1 or 2) standard.

 

 

Anyway, you could try to connect your DX50 with a Nexus 7 using:

 

. USB Audio Player PRO (UAPP):

UAPP includes its own USB audio soft driver.

There is a free trial version available on Google Play store

 

. the native USB audio of Android L:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/5040#post_10683033

post #5132 of 5142

Thanks for the app tip. I'll check it out

 

Anyway, you could try to connect your DX50 with a Nexus 7 using:

 

. USB Audio Player PRO (UAPP):

UAPP includes its own USB audio soft driver.

There is a free trial version available on Google Play store

 

 

EDIT: I checked it out & the DX50 is not listed as a supported device, furthermore it seems that you can only use the UAPP native player.  My goal was to stream music from other apps using the USB audio output. I didn't want to tinker with my Rom just yet, but I may give the beta Android L a try when I have time.  
 

Thanks again


Edited by zzvelik - 7/23/14 at 7:10am
post #5133 of 5142
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Originally Posted by floeezy View Post


Hey Casper.

How does the S5 + E18 combo sound compared to the AK100 II? I'm thinking of getting an E18 for my S5, coincidentally, and would like to know how the DAC and amp of the E18 compares to those of a dedicated DAP like the AK100 II.

Cheers

 

Well ... I use my players on the go, so ambient noise reduced "the listening" experience.   ... important if you use on the go.

 

I think the Quality delivered by the Galaxy S5 (or any good Phone) with the E18 is great.

Wonderful, clear, great definition.

 

The AK100 II also delivers a great, great sound. Very open, great detail, great spacious sound.

 

That said, my goal was to split the functionality and have 2 compact dedicated devices.

I found that at work and on-the-go the (phone based) stack, however good or great any phone-based stack might be is not handy for me. So for me it was more about user friendliness and portability.

 

Getting to what device to use, the AK100 II is great but also expensive.

For most users I would recommend a good quality stand-alone player (be it an X3, X5 or others).

 

I chose the AK100 II because (in no particular order);

     1. Here in Belgium NO devices are on stock to test, so you purchase blind

     2. The AK100 II looks freaking awesome, and the finish is like a great Swiss watch

     3. I saw then AK100 II was new and used the same basic components as the AK240

     4. User interface is great, easy to use (custom android OS; NO Google Store or other apps possible!!)

     5. I had the budget

 

For somebody with a reasonable high budget I think I would recommend something like the X5 with its dual Micro-SD capacity and good quality.

 

 

To close ... I'm still over the moon on the E18 and it's fantastic sound quality, be it with the S5, iPOD (as AMP), iPad (DAC + AMP with camera connect kit) or on my PC's (as DAC + Headphone AMP).

The E18 delivers very good and even pushes my BeyerDynamic DT880 250 Ohm to high volume (and great sound).

 

 

I hope this can help,

Kind regards,

 

Casper


Edited by CasperBxl - 7/23/14 at 10:02am
post #5134 of 5142

Thank you Casper. That helps a lot. I think the E18 is exactly what I am looking for.

 

I was thinking of getting a standalone DAP, but I believe the user interface, battery life, and the "all-in-one" capability of a phone coupled with a DAC is very enticing.

post #5135 of 5142

I found out Android L can only be tested as an emulator, not as a beta OS.  I'll have to wait for Ibasso to get MSFT driver certification for the DX50 (or Android L to be released) to finally test out the DAC function of my DX50/Nexus 7 combo.

post #5136 of 5142
Android L is supposed to support usb audio generally? I mean not only specific apps like UsbAudioPlayer?
Tha is great news...

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post #5137 of 5142

On Android L-powered devices (i.e. on native USB audio-enabled Android devices), generic music players like Neutron, Poweramp or Spotify use the audio-specific Android interface (i.e. audio-specific framework APIs in "android.media": "MediaPlayer" class) to control playback of audio files and streams using internal DAC or external USB DAC.

http://source.android.com/devices/audio.html

 

On USB host-enabled Android devices (note: every USB audio-enabled Android device has a functional USB host feature), USB Audio Player PRO (UAPP) includes a music player and a USB audio soft driver.

The music player part of UAPP doesn't use the audio-specific Android interface.

 

 

 

 

post #5138 of 5142
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Originally Posted by zzvelik View Post
 

I found out Android L can only be tested as an emulator, not as a beta OS.  I'll have to wait for Ibasso to get MSFT driver certification for the DX50 (or Android L to be released) to finally test out the DAC function of my DX50/Nexus 7 combo.

 

How to install Android L on Nexus 7:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+install+android+l+on+nexus+7

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2794642&page=5

http://developer.android.com/preview/setup-sdk.html

 

"Install the L Preview System Image

1. Download and uncompress the Android Developer Preview package

2. Follow the instructions at developers.google.com/android to flash the image onto your device.

 

 

Revert a Device to Factory Specifications

If you want to uninstall the L Preview and revert the device to factory specifications, go to developers.google.com/android and download the image you want to flash to for your device. Follow the instructions on that page to flash the image to your device."

 

 

A list of standard USB DAC reportedly interworking with the native USB audio of Android L:

 

Google Nexus 5 running on Android L > digital USB audio out >> USB OTG cable (ID pin grounded) >> standard USB DAC >> amp >> headphones

 

. AudioQuest DragonFly (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.stereophile.com/content/audioquest-dragonfly-usb-da-converter

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/4995#post_10666550

 

. FiiO E07K (USB DAC/amp): "it worked perfectly!"

http://headfonics.com/2012/12/fiio-e07k-the-andes/

http://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus5/comments/29p0at/psa_usb_dac_enabled_on_android_l/

 

. FiiO E17 (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.headfonia.com/the-upgrade-fiio-e17-alpen/

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/5055#post_10694643

 

. FiiO E18 (USB DAC/amp):

http://headfonics.com/2013/12/the-e18-kunlun-by-fiio/

http://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus5/comments/29p0at/psa_usb_dac_enabled_on_android_l/cin6wh3

 

Reportedly non-compatible USB DAC:

. Aune T1 (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus5/comments/29p0at/psa_usb_dac_enabled_on_android_l/cin6wh3

http://www.amazon.com/AUNE-T1-Amplifier-Standard-Version/dp/B00CHIJYGE

 

Abnormal behavior:

. FiiO E07K: 44.1kHz-to-32kHz downsampling => not the same version of FiiO E07K or Android L as above ???

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/5100#post_10721193

http://amzn.to/1mtZnXn

. FiiO E17: 44.1kHz-to-32kHz downsampling

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/5055#post_10694643

http://amzn.to/1p233Ut

 

 

Google Nexus 7 2013 running on Android L > digital USB audio out >> USB OTG cable (ID pin grounded) >> standard USB DAC >> amp >> headphones

 

. FiiO E07K (USB DAC/amp): "it worked flawlessly"

http://headfonics.com/2012/12/fiio-e07k-the-andes/

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53710602&postcount=20

 

. FiiO E17 (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.headfonia.com/the-upgrade-fiio-e17-alpen/

http://www.head-fi.org/t/724933/nexus-7-2013#post_10671435

 

Reportedly non-compatible USB DAC:

. Behringer UCA222:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/5085#post_10718000

http://amzn.to/1nSoUyk

. HiFimeDIY Sabre USB DAC ES9023 96KHZ/24BIT:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/724933/nexus-7-2013#post_10671435

http://hifimediy.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=83

. iFi nano iDSD:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/5100#post_10721372

http://ifi-audio.com/sales/#usa

. Schitt Modi:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/724933/nexus-7-2013#post_10673959

http://schiit.com/products/modi


Edited by DanBa - 7/24/14 at 5:15pm
post #5139 of 5142
My 2013 Nexus 7 and I are gonna hold off on Android L until the USB DAC compatibility situation has worked itself out wink.gif
post #5140 of 5142

The native USB Audio of Android L Developer Preview is in the first step of development.

The FiiO E17 USB DAC/amp for example was not compatible with the first version of USB audio of the Samsung Galaxy S3. The E17 can now work with the S3.

 

It is not easy for the latest entrants (Samsung, Sony, HTC, LG, ..., and now Google) in the existing USB DAC jungle because the USB specification allows some variability.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/4080#post_10270550

 

The latest entrants have to adapt their USB audio implementation to (most) existing USB DACs.

They have to be compatible with different interpretations of the USB specification.

 

Once the native Google USB audio becomes mature, it will very likely become a reference USB audio implementation in the USB DAC industry used  for testing by the developers of new USB DACs, i.e. these USB DAC developers will have to adopt the Google interpretation of the USB specification.

 

Today, the XMOS Multi-Function Audio Design Reference is used by many USB DAC makers to speed up the development of their USB DAC compatible with PC, Mac and Android; and the XMOS developers test it against PC, Mac and some Android devices.

 

 

 


Edited by DanBa - Yesterday at 9:30 am
post #5141 of 5142
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Originally Posted by DanBa View Post

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Reportedly non-compatible USB DAC:

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. iFi nano iDSD:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/5100#post_10721372

http://ifi-audio.com/sales/#usa (link is wrong) = ifi-audio.com

....

I wouldn't say Android L is non-compatible with the ifi iDSD; it just adds a new dimension to your listening experience; " Now with 5.0 / Android L - the playback works natively out of all apps (awesome) but the playback rate/speed is super fast.  Everything sounds like alvin and the chipmunks." ;)

 

Would by nice if UAPP, or even better native USB audio support, being available for the Blackberry Z10.

post #5142 of 5142

It's a point of view.

 

Anyhow, as the Google Android Audio team is aware of the existence of the list of USB DAC reportedly interworking or not interworking with the Nexus 5 / 7 running on Android L, they could read and evaluate themselves the reporting information.

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