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Jun 3, 2012 at 1:01 PM Post #7,471 of 15,119
Hmmm... now I am increasingly interested in hearing the Ultrasone Signature Pro to see what the fuss is all about. My main amp, the EMP, stops sweating at around 600 ohms so it is the wrong choice for the Ultrasone. Jan Meier's introductory deal for a free Corda Rock amp with the Sig Pro is intriguing. $1,000 gets the cans and also the means to drive them. Not sure I have the funds free though.
 
Jun 3, 2012 at 1:22 PM Post #7,472 of 15,119
@MaverickRonin: I've definitely heard what you're referring to in the HIFI 680's (tried a classmate's for a few minutes, but they were f'd up enough for me not to have to listen longer) and the PRO 750's, although a lot of the issues there could be fixed with a warmish amp.  FWIW, though, the Edition 8's sound more like normal headphones with occasional sibilance issues.  With sibilance free tracks they have an effortless sort of coherence and level of detail that made them a more worthwhile listen for me than anything in the popular $150-club (I think I've at least heard nearly all of them except the Brainwavs), the SRH 940's, or the DT1350's.  The Signature Pros sound a lot like normal headphones, and really good ones at that. 
 
The full-sized sealed headphone market is kind of frustrating.  I feel like there should be something in the pricey, but not ridiculous range that puts the Ed.8's to shame, but, as far as I know, there really isn't except for another Ultrasone - the Signature Pro's.
 
Jun 3, 2012 at 1:30 PM Post #7,473 of 15,119
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Hmmm... now I am increasingly interested in hearing the Ultrasone Signature Pro to see what the fuss is all about. My main amp, the EMP, stops sweating at around 600 ohms so it is the wrong choice for the Ultrasone. Jan Meier's introductory deal for a free Corda Rock amp with the Sig Pro is intriguing. $1,000 gets the cans and also the means to drive them. Not sure I have the funds free though.

 
Another Meier with no crossfeed?  What's the world coming to...
 
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@MaverickRonin: I've definitely heard what you're referring to in the HIFI 680's (tried a classmate's for a few minutes, but they were f'd up enough for me not to have to listen longer) and the PRO 750's, although a lot of the issues there could be fixed with a warmish amp.  FWIW, though, the Edition 8's sound more like normal headphones with occasional sibilance issues.  With sibilance free tracks they have an effortless sort of coherence and level of detail that made them a more worthwhile listen for me than anything in the popular $150-club (I think I've at least heard nearly all of them except the Brainwavs), the SRH 940's, or the DT1350's.  The Signature Pros sound a lot like normal headphones, and really good ones at that. 
 
The full-sized sealed headphone market is kind of frustrating. 

 
Are you bringing the Sig Pro to the meet?
 
Jun 3, 2012 at 1:35 PM Post #7,474 of 15,119
S-Logic is neither here nor there, something of a marketing ploy with genuine but somewhat esoteric theory behind it. I don't think anyone has been able to prove nor disprove it at this point. Basically it has to do with sound-space, and the claim is that it enhances dimensional perception and imaging. Due to the implementation however, it's believed that not everyone responds to its effects, and thus some individuals would appear to benefit from it while others do not. In either case I don't think it hinders the sound, and for those who don't sense it the effect is merely negligible. Personally I find the effect to be somewhat apparent, and it seems to give the Edition line (and new Signature line) a satisfying holographic quality. It enhances the feeling of "being there."
 
The HFI line is pretty good if you're looking for "fun" coloration, the sort of headphone that lends itself to movie watching or other multimedia applications. On the other hand, I personally think the normal PRO line is awful. I know they have a following here, but personally I can't stand the PRO 900 / 2900. The Edition line is fun and excels in certain areas, but they have a lot of quirks and idiosyncrasies that one should be aware of before proceeding. They're far from perfect with definite flaws, but I feel this gives them a somewhat endearing quality. Plus there's definitely a strong emphasis on aesthetics over which some head-fiers get their panties in a bunch. The Signature Pro on the other hand stands as Ultrasone's most competent effort yet, and I would recommend it as THE money-is-no-object fully closed headphone. It shows that Ultrasone can learn from their past mistakes, though it remains to be seen whether they can keep it up or not.
 
So a quick history lesson.
 
When the Edition 7 was first announced, people took one look at the $3000+ price and their opinion of Ultrasone was pretty much cemented. You know what they say about first impressions, after all. When word arrived that they were essentially made from fancy metal-covered plastic with exotic, pseudo-endangered-species-leather earpads and 14K gold accents, all housed in a box fabricated out of the wood from a 100 year old tree, it kindled the flames of suspicion and served as the genesis point for a host of memes. Ultrasone was all style and no substance. Ultrasone gobbled up rare natural resources. Ultrasone was for people who had lots of money but no common sense. I think many individuals made up theirs minds as to how the Edition 7 sounded without ever having heard it, and still others assumed, perhaps understandably, that it must sound better than anything else currently on the market. The price = performance assumption is, of course, erroneous. 
 
Not many people listened to the Edition 7. Really it only took a few mediocre reports to get many a forum goer to move on and never look back. Still, enough Hong Kong businessmen and Bavarian showboaters took notice for the stock to sell out, and Ultrasone more or less succeeded in what they set out to do. Next came the Edition 9, the concept for which was actually in development simultaneously alongside the Edition 7, and from the get-go it was intended to be a "less luxurious" alternative for the "slightly more average connoisseur." The drivers were the same as the Edition 7's, and only a slight difference in damping was implemented between models. The biggest difference was in the build materials: the silver-colored Edition 9 was slightly less extravagant than its blue-enameled sibling. The earliest models lacked a serial number printed on the face of the cups, but subsequent production runs printed these identifiers on the headphones. Whereas the Edition 7 could be considered a failure in the overall scheme of things and in the popularity it failed to garner, the Edition 9 suddenly became quite desirable for a time. Ironically they were more or less the same headphone in terms of sound, but now suddenly the Edition 9 was esteemed in this regard, and I think this legitimately had to do with the fact that more people heard them versus the Edition 7 whose reputation was fixed on a handful of mediocre, noisy meet impression.
 
The pendulum swings. There was a period of FOTMism surrounding the Edition 9 specifically, mostly due to the shilling efforts of a few rather infamous head-fiers in particular. Unfortunately it was passed off as being a giant killer and misrepresented in the midst of this fervor, and so there was a backlash when peoples' expectations for a neutral reference headphone weren't fully met. Consider that people were saying that it outperformed the Omega 2 or the R10; as much as I enjoy the Edition 9, these sorts of claims are just FOTM silliness. So as the fervor wound down and the dust settled, the same old memes began recirculating with renewed enthusiasm as the hype-busters recounted their victory. It's a cycle that repeated itself once again for the announcement of the Edition 8, and now that Ultrasone was marketing them as a portable and promising to make an endless supply for those interested, more people than ever before began to take notice of the Edition series, and as one might expect both sides---supporters and detractors---garnered more adherents than ever before. With the Edition 8 however it seemed as though Ultrasone hit their stride, finally producing something extravagant but with enough mass appeal to ensure that the period of FOTMism that followed eventually petered out and diverted into a more stable, steady stream rather than continue to churn without a place to go, working itself up into a swirling frenzy of backlash.
 
The Edition 8 is not without its share of controversy, but it stands as Ultrasone's most mainstream success. Keen to capitalize on this, they decided to make the Edition 10 an open headphone, a true reference and statement piece to coexist alongside its portable brethren. In planning the direction to take things, Ultrasone seemed to have gotten their wires even more crossed than usual, and they ended up with what amounted to a parody of "hi-fi" more or less. They pursued this vision to a singular extreme, forging a headphone with too much of that treble sparkle people often equate with detail and focusing too much on its spatial prowess and soundstage, neglecting other facets such as overall tonality and coherence. Basically it was a stereotype of "audiophile headphone" as defined by recents trends, namely the HD800 and Ultrasone's own Edition 8. What they created in the end was a headphone that excelled in several areas---quite astonishingly at times, I might add---while failing utterly in several others. Not a bad headphone to my mind, but a very uneven and problematic one.
 
Of course, when the Edition 10 was announced, people took one look at the price and their opinion was once again pretty much cemented. You know what they say about first impressions, after all. When word arrived that they were essentially made from fancy wood-inlayed metals and exotic, pseudo-endangered-species-leather earpads, all housed in a fancy wood box and bundled with its own headphones stand, it kindled the flames of suspicion and served as fodder for a host of memes. Ultrasone was all style and no substance. Ultrasone gobbled up rare natural resources. Ultrasone was for people who had lots of money but no common sense. I think many individuals made up theirs minds as to how the Edition 10 sounded without ever having heard it, and still others assumed, perhaps understandably, that it must sound better than anything else currently on the market.
 
The price = performance assumption is, of course, erroneous. 
 
Jun 3, 2012 at 1:39 PM Post #7,475 of 15,119
I wish I had the funds at hand to try the Sig Pros, but it'll have to wait for a while. I really, really like my Pro 900, actually even more than my D2000. Although, I wouldn't recommend anyone buying them blind.
 
So, tonight is all about writing my CV. There's really not a lot to write though ... 5-6 years worth of studying and a few jobs. We'll see if anyone bites the bait. My friend got himself a job rather quickly (took him three days to get a job). Oh well, when I'm done writing my CV and making it look good, I'll send it out to a plethora of recruiters. If I'm lucky, I should get some kind of job, hopefully something within databases, programming or information security. Just something that pays well enough, and is a good working environment - not really looking into it with my "career" in mind.
 
Jun 3, 2012 at 1:57 PM Post #7,478 of 15,119
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Basically it was a stereotype of "audiophile headphone" as defined by recents trends, namely the HD800 and Ultrasone's own Edition 8.

 
Iuno, I can still enjoy my ****ty Jay Reatard mp3's on the later.  The 8's treble is obviously overemphasized, but I wouldn't be so prone to put them and the HD800's in the same sentence.  I feel as though the Ed. 8's wackiness across the whole spectrum makes their high-end glare less prominent than that of the 800's.
 
 
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The price = performance assumption is, of course, erroneous.

 
^ This is implied in everything I say about these headphones, btw.
 
Jun 3, 2012 at 3:01 PM Post #7,480 of 15,119
I swear, I love reading your posts Muppetface. So much goodness
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I personally have my eyes set on 3 things to try: ASG1.2, ATH AD2000, or some ATH ESW9a's. I love my M80's, don't get me wrong, but something about the ESW9's makes me want to drop everything to try them.
 
 
So many people love Audio Technica, and I really wish there was something <$200 that was full sized to test it >_< AD900 anyone? :p
 
Jun 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM Post #7,481 of 15,119
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That or using a forwarding service. Meh, I still have a long way to go until I get to that point though. 
 
Did they say why they can't do out-of-country order anymore?


Yes, it was a case of them having to stop doing overseas business due to economics. At the time when I emailed them the Japanese Yen was taking a pounding and it's valuation was falling on the world markets. According to the person I talked to he indicated j-phonic's overseas business accounted for maybe only 10% of it's sales but that 10% was costing the company far more money and resources then it was financially feasible. The example he gave me was if say warranty work had to be done for someone in Europe the cost would be sky rocket high compared to having to do warranty work for someone in Japan. He basically said it had become to costly to do business outside of Japan.
 
Jun 3, 2012 at 3:29 PM Post #7,483 of 15,119
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That or using a forwarding service. Meh, I still have a long way to go until I get to that point though. 
 
Did they say why they can't do out-of-country order anymore?


Yes, it was a case of them having to stop doing overseas business due to economics. At the time when I emailed them the Japanese Yen was taking a pounding and it's valuation was falling on the world markets. According to the person I talked to he indicated j-phonic's overseas business accounted for maybe only 10% of it's sales but that 10% was costing the company far more money and resources then it was financially feasible. The example he gave me was if say warranty work had to be done for someone in Europe the cost would be sky rocket high compared to having to do warranty work for someone in Japan. He basically said it had become to costly to do business outside of Japan.

Ahh I see. That's a shame. Well nothing can be done about that. Good luck in your quest.
 
Jun 3, 2012 at 3:43 PM Post #7,484 of 15,119
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Iuno, I can still enjoy my ****ty Jay Reatard mp3's on the later.  The 8's treble is obviously overemphasized, but I wouldn't be so prone to put them and the HD800's in the same sentence.  I feel as though the Ed. 8's wackiness across the whole spectrum makes their high-end glare less prominent than that of the 800's.

 
The Edition 8 and HD800 aren't that similar, but I find both are indicative of recent trends in audiophile flagships, namely using a brighter signature to accentuate detail. Ignoring the HD800 for a moment, if one compares the Edition 8 to, say, the LCD-2, one may be inclined to say the former is the more detailed of the two. However I think this largely has to do with perceived and not actual detail. The Edition 8 merely accentuates detail due to the way it's tuned, presents it in a more obvious and up-front way, whereas the LCD-2 is relatively less obvious.
 
Going back to the HD800, I think Sennheiser is most guilty of this over-emphasis on detail. The HD800 is certainly impressive from a technical standpoint, but compared to their former flagship the HE60 and former statement piece the HE90, it just seems sterile. The R10 was another example of a statement of yesteryear that focused on the emotion conveyed in overall sound, compared to Sony's later efforts like the SA5000 and Qualia which, while impressive, are sterile in comparison.
 
Of course, this is just a single trend in a larger picture. Companies like Grado and Fostex haven't been following it, and now it seems like CIEM manufacturers are making their top-of-the-line models more highly colored than their lower tier ones.
 
Jun 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM Post #7,485 of 15,119
When audiophiles start talking about listening to nothing but this or that symphony in the highest caliber lossless format---getting hyper specific about how detailed certain things are like the sound of bows touching strings with this or that piece of $5000+ equipment---I have this involuntary reaction where my eyes roll back into my head and I start groaning. It's a legitimate condition, so it's not my fault.
 
"I only listen to classical music."
 
"But what do you make love to?"
 

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