[sfwalcer]

  I don't care for your opinion, things will get done as I will. Nah, you're trying to mold it into something else, Rin will tell you these small changes are NOTHING like the posts here. Impressions here are not "well documented" facts, it's mostly just more examples of expectation bias. Not just based on what's been measured by data from other reputable sites, ATH is more about quantity of products rather than quality from what I've seen and heard. I found the ES700 muddy, which further makes me understand why the CK1000S may get away with such a bass. 

Oh and all this time i thought Rin was the head honcho and you were merely his...

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sidekick

... HE HE HE

 
I guess i had you and your beloved's relationship all twisted then. My apologies, you are the big bad inks boss man and you own the lil' kitty blog is see. Nice nice.
 
 
 

 

[sfwalcer]

  Funny, I'm 100% positive the T-Jays Four with the Jays-Curves DSP blows everything in the thread away by quite a margin, physical tuning can only do so much...

LMAO inks man you are one cocky @ss mofo, i kinda like your style in a sick and twisted way cuz your pure absurdness is comedic GOLD!!!

 
Let me quote myself again cuz this post is evergreen:
 

 

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   Say what you want about graphs as those that do usually lack the knowledge. This is just crap, typical FOTM
   
   

 


 
uh-oh...lol.
 
Let's see, take both the graphs and listening experience of an Korean engineer or these recent impressions by a select few that are likely heated to like them now due to the controversy.  
 
These are 200$? Wow I honestly though this was a ~100$ IEM...I wish ATH sold that cable adapter with mic separately. 

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Well, I didn't have to get involved in this "controversy" at all - I didn't even have them yet. And if I didn't like them, I either would have kept quiet about it or mention it. But, I am liking them so much, that I don't really care what you or anyone else thinks. I like them quite a bit more than I ever managed to like my xba3's, and I am quickly enjoying their sound signature more than the awesome gr07be's. So the one thing that this proves is that your graphs or your experienced engineer friend don't really mean squat to my ears. Sorry about that.

^ That's right WAYNE you have no right to comment on these 1Ks even though you own them you lowly head-fier you!!! How DARE you run your fat ignorant mouth against those GODLY graphs of ALMIGHTY inks and his beloved Rin and co. You better know your place and shut it right now WAYNE or else inks is gonna graph attack you to death with all the technical mumbo jumbo cuz it'll scramble that lil' pea brain of yours. I along with you are too noob and ignant to fully comprehend inks holy wisdom and knowledge and we shouldn't even be allowed to even speak of his holiness let alone dare to quote and reply to him. We need to sit our ignant @sses down and let him school us to the ways of the holy graphs. In fact we need to leave this thread, delete out head-fi accounts and ban our selves from the inter-web because we are unworthy to be in the same presence as that all mighty holy inks. WE ARE NOT WORTHY!!!
 

 
ALL HAIL INKS AND HIS MIGHTY GRAPHS!!! WE ARE ALL NOT WORTHY!!!
 
I am sure that despite the ATH CKS1000s winning all those prestigious #1 spots/golden awards in Jpn meant nothing AT ALL. Those Jpnese must has have ears for mud only.

 

[waynes world]

Joe, they already do sound awesome. The graph is whack.

 

[Joe Bloggs]

Funny, I'm 100% positive the T-Jays Four with the Jays-Curves DSP blows everything in the thread away by quite a margin, physical tuning can only do so much...

Yup. And why waste your breath and bandwidth preaching to an unreceptive audience? And presenting your message in such a negative way (trashing almost every product out there)? Yes, 99% of the stuff on the market is rubbish, especially in value-for-dollar terms, but is badmouthing them all going to do anything other than get you on everyone's ignore list? People in this thread are truly enjoying themselves and their gear aren't even that expensive. Would anybody start hearing differently if you tell them their favourite piece of gear is trash? Their preferred sound signature don't even go anywhere near the reference flat line! What if the physical shapes of their ears/heads color the sound of headphones / IEMs significantly compared to a reference pair of speakers? What if they *gasp* prefer the 10-sub rig at the local disco to the reference speaker rig at Olive-Welti and co.?

Besides, I just smile and move on unless I see a real chance to give people a more technical understanding of audio. Starting your own threads and pointing people to it, writing those threads by imparting useful general knowledge rather than brand-targetted criticism are all superior ways of improving rhe audio field.

 

[Inks]

Yup. And why waste your breath and bandwidth preaching to an unreceptive audience? And presenting your message in such a negative way (trashing almost every product out there)? Yes, 99% of the stuff on the market is rubbish, especially in value-for-dollar terms, but is badmouthing them all going to do anything other than get you on everyone's ignore list? People in this thread are truly enjoying themselves and their gear aren't even that expensive. Would anybody start hearing differently if you tell them their favourite piece of gear is trash? Their preferred sound signature don't even go anywhere near the reference flat line! What if the physical shapes of their ears/heads color the sound of headphones / IEMs significantly compared to a reference pair of speakers? What if they *gasp* prefer the 10-sub rig at the local disco to the reference speaker rig at Olive-Welti and co.?

Besides, I just smile and move on unless I see a real chance to give people a more technical understanding of audio. Starting your own threads and pointing people to it, writing those threads by imparting useful general knowledge rather than brand-targetted criticism are all superior ways of improving rhe audio field.

Fair points, but it's also not about going for a perfect OW flat or DF, the K3003 is a great sounding product despite not being flat because its actually tuned with some thought, low distortion, wide bandwidth, etc. UM 3DD is also an amazing bassy IEM, I'll skip all the nonsense new toy syndromes and just go for those. Wish I had the time for the latter....

 

[waynes world]

How do you know that the cks1000's are not great sounding if you have never heard them?

Anyway, I've had enough. Time to break in that block feature everyone has been talking about lately.

 

[Joe Bloggs]

Fair points, but it's also not about going for a perfect OW flat or DF, the K3003 is a great sounding product despite not being flat because its actually tuned with some thought, low distortion, wide bandwidth, etc. UM 3DD is also an amazing bassy IEM, I'll skip all the nonsense new toy syndromes and just go for those. Wish I had the time for the latter....

Other than gross defects like on the *cough* Heir *cough* SM64, I have to ask how you can be the arbiter of what sounds the best on others' ears based on graphs. I mean looking at the K3003, the FR produced by this expensive multi-driver contraption doesn't really look that much different to the lowly SHE3580 (as measured on goldenears, oh and rin has a pair I sent him sometime ago.). Response below 1k steadily rising, peaking in the subbass, check; two treble peaks of comparable magnitude, check! How does one objectively sound better* than the other?

*May be oxymoron

 

[nehcrow]

Not this argument again...
Just going to say SM64 sound amazing yet measure terribly (according to Rin), so that dispels all the cares I have about measurements. 
Measurements are becoming more and more meaningless

 

[Joe Bloggs]

Not this argument again...

Just going to say SM64 sound amazing yet measure terribly (according to Rin), so that dispels all the cares I have about measurements. 

Measurements are becoming more and more meaningless

Well, we really need some fresh ears in a blind test of the sm64 and the heirs against some conventionally good measuring phones. If subjective ratings put them at a tie or better, we really need to rethink and reevaluate the correlates between measurements and good sound and how a product should measure to be perceived to sound good. Then again, the answer to that question may be so variable depending on person that well... *throws hands in the air*

All I'll say at this point is that a phone that measures reasonably close to flat with low distortion throughout the range can produce any sound signature and quality desired (including sounding exactly like the sm64 if one so desires), via parametric EQ or via impulse convolution as supported by viper4android and my headphone specific impulses. It is for this reason that I am relatively immune to headphone gear rolling and that head-fi curse on the wallet...

 

[quartertone]

  out of discovery spirit i stubled across this on amazon http://www.amazon.com/I-MEGO--Ear-Monitor-Earphones-ZTONE/dp/B00C2L9WRC/ref=sr_1_120?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1381553259&sr=1-120&keywords=studio+monitors
 

they look interesting and they are marketed with silver cables $85 but thats US price not sure on availability 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/665664/i-mego-head-earphones

 

[Libertad]

I dont understand it man. I kinduv wanted to give inks a shadow of a doubt but its clear that inks intentions are not positive at all.All they have done is foster an environment to mis guide the uneducated new comers and honest members of the community from collaborating on their respective experiences in this hobby. You can at least have courtesy to say you dont agree with our post but instead you bash opinions of gear bassed on...a graph...really. Have fun with your number game inks but i for one and i believe i speak for this thread as a whole when i say this. Audio is first and foremost personal preference and enjoyment not numbers if thats all you seek just gear that performance based on graphs and measurements alone then you lose the purpose of the hobby in the first place and thats enjoyment. 

 

[EuphonicArin]

Now let's get back to discovering, let me show you guys one of my favorite current cans
 

 The Denon Hp700: these cans are quite excellent at detailing and clarity stock, but after a bit of modding and burning in they become a fully analytical/fun can that competes other heavy hitters such as the Beyerdynamic Dt770, Fostex T50rp, possibly mad dogs, and even the K701. The best part is that they've got awesome durability, an expansive Soundstage for a closed can, and after a pad swap, are surprisingly comfy, all at the price of 99 dollars.

 

[MrEleventy]

Making a decision on which hp it's better via graph is like deciding which pro sports team wins each game by stats alone w/o even playing. Flukes do happen.

 

[eke2k6]

  I dont understand it man. I kinduv wanted to give inks a shadow of a doubt but its clear that inks intentions are not positive at all.All they have done is foster an environment to mis guide the uneducated new comers and honest members of the community from collaborating on their respective experiences in this hobby. You can at least have courtesy to say you dont agree with our post but instead you bash opinions of gear bassed on...a graph...really. Have fun with your number game inks but i for one and i believe i speak for this thread as a whole when i say this. Audio is first and foremost personal preference and enjoyment not numbers if thats all you seek just gear that performance based on graphs and measurements alone then you lose the purpose of the hobby in the first place and thats enjoyment. 

 
He really is a cancer wherever he posts his opinions. This is almost 3 pages of arguments he sparked, just because of his attitude. The worst part is that he's not even the one who truly has the engineering background like Rin does. Rin is (usually) far more benign with his statements, but Inks will take Rin's words and use them as some sort of weapon. My first real experience with Inks was on this very thread about the CKM500. I'll never forget how he bashed them for pages upon pages, then at the end admitted that he'd never even put them in his ears. My ASG-2 review thread is so long because so many pages are arguments sparked by Inks touting Rin's measurements of a faulty ASG-2, and he was ignoring several members who told him that they obviously didn't look right. And then that poor SM64 thread that is all but dead after Inks sauntered in there with Rin's graphs.
 
Guys, the best lesson you can take is to use that block feature as much as you'd use salt and pepper on a steak. It really makes it better.

 

[ericp10]

   
He really is a cancer wherever he posts his opinions. This is almost 3 pages of arguments he sparked, just because of his attitude. The worst part is that he's not even the one who truly has the engineering background like Rin does. Rin is (usually) far more benign with his statements, but Inks will take Rin's words and use them as some sort of weapon. My first real experience with Inks was on this very thread about the CKM500. I'll never forget how he bashed them for pages upon pages, then at the end admitted that he'd never even put them in his ears. My ASG-2 review thread is so long because so many pages are arguments sparked by Inks touting Rin's measurements of a faulty ASG-2, and he was ignoring several members who told him that they obviously didn't look right. And then that poor SM64 thread that is all but dead after Inks sauntered in there with Rin's graphs.
 
Guys, the best lesson you can take is to use that block feature as much as you'd use salt and pepper on a steak. It really makes it better.

 
eke2k6 and I haven't agreed on much lately (except our love for the ASG-2), but I wholeheartedly agree with him here. I think Inks is trying to get this thread shut down. I think to come on threads and make DEFINITIVE statements about products you've NEVER HEARD is egregious at best. Then eve insults most of the members here for liking the earphones that we like (and have heard). Yes, you can block him, but maybe the better option is to petition the moderators to ban him from this thread before he gets it shut down.