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Jun 22, 2013 at 1:57 PM Post #3,076 of 4,841
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chrissc said:
  The Rooth LS-5x seemed promising, but I can't find reviews anywhere (besides Joe's)
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Joe likes the LS-X5 a little more than me. I've heard the demo quite a few times, and I thought there was slightly too much treble sharpness; I thought the LS8+ (with whom it shares a lot with, except that it has one single dynamic for the lows instead of a quad array of BAs) was a little less sharp on top. However, I did try to shoehorn someone else's custom-fit LS-X5 into my ears, and it sounded a little better, with less harshness. Overall, it's similar to how Joe described it, but you can also read my thoughts on it here. I've heard rumors of them coming out with an X3 model too.
 
As of right now, the best hybrid that I've had the opportunity to hear has been the Tralucent 1Plus2, but that's a universal. Also, if you like you vocals to be very intimate, the 1Plus2 may not be for you. It's designed to have that super-expansive sound over intimacy.
 
Jun 23, 2013 at 12:00 PM Post #3,077 of 4,841
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mython said:
Yes, as I mentioned in the dedicated impressions thread, one needs to be politely assertive with many audiologists because they can be arrogant that they've been doing hearing-aid impressions for years and therefore know infinitely more than the CIEM customer. It takes a bit of courage to be assertive with a time-served audiologist, because, let's face it, us CIEM customers aren't experts in impression-taking, but the point is that we need to make the audiologist cease presumptuously thinking they know it all, and to actually pause and genuinely take on board the CIEM-specific requirements.
 
Provided mutual respect is present from both customer and audiologist, I have found there is no problem with being politely assertive.    The only time I've found polite assertiveness to be a problem is (not related to CIEMs) when attending appointments with certain medical doctors, some of whom can be arrogant, closed-minded, and belittling to the patient, in the extreme.
 
Audiologists generally seem to be more amenable to taking on-board the requirements of a (politely) assertive customer, but it's a thin line to tread 
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Well said...CIEM impressions are different than hearing aid impressions and finding an audiologist with relevant experience or at least a willingness to use specific instructions is important.
 
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chrissc said:
Hey Joe (or anyone else): are there any new exciting hybrids coming out soon or any that came out, but are under the radar?

The Rooth LS-5x seemed promising, but I can't find reviews anywhere (besides Joe's)

Thanks!
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I have yet to hear the 1plus2, but I did find the LS5X to be very good.  The demo I heard (not sure if it was the same as the one tomscy2000 heard) was made to be a universal demo and fit better than the other demos I had.  As far as newer hybrids, Thousand Sound has redone their hybrid, the TS853, but I have not heard it. I can't think of any others, but here is my (quite possibly incomplete) CIEM hybrid list: LSX5, Merlin, TS842, TS853, AS-2, EP-10 Plus, T3i, HY3, and RDB.
 
Jun 24, 2013 at 4:11 PM Post #3,078 of 4,841
mython said:
Yes, as I mentioned in the dedicated impressions thread, one needs to be politely assertive with many audiologists because they can be arrogant that they've been doing hearing-aid impressions for years and therefore know infinitely more than the CIEM customer. It takes a bit of courage to be assertive with a time-served audiologist, because, let's face it, us CIEM customers aren't experts in impression-taking, but the point is that we need to make the audiologist cease presumptuously thinking they know it all, and to actually pause and genuinely take on board the CIEM-specific requirements.

Provided mutual respect is present from both customer and audiologist, I have found there is no problem with being politely assertive.    The only time I've found polite assertiveness to be a problem is (not related to CIEMs) when attending appointments with certain medical doctors, some of whom can be arrogant, closed-minded, and belittling to the patient, in the extreme.

Audiologists generally seem to be more amenable to taking on-board the requirements of a (politely) assertive customer, but it's a thin line to tread  :wink_face:


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Good advice from someone more experienced in such things. Thanks Mython. I'll bear it in mind during my next appointment.

chrissc said:
Hey Joe (or anyone else): are there any new exciting hybrids coming out soon or any that came out, but are under the radar?

The Rooth LS-5x seemed promising, but I can't find reviews anywhere (besides Joe's)

Thanks!
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There's precious few Rooth custom reviews... in fact, Average_Joe's LS8 is all I've found. The demo reviews are excellent however (both Average_Joe's and Tomscy2000's reviews), and helped me to decide which of the line up was best for me.
 
Jun 24, 2013 at 6:43 PM Post #3,079 of 4,841
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There's precious few Rooth custom reviews... in fact, Average_Joe's LS8 is all I've found. The demo reviews are excellent however (both Average_Joe's and Tomscy2000's reviews), and helped me to decide which of the line up was best for me.
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Well, ya know what that means, then, dontcha?!
 
We need you to review the LS8 when you receive it!  
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Jun 25, 2013 at 3:03 AM Post #3,080 of 4,841
Guys,

Rin has posted the measurements on NT6, both of the first version and rev.1. You can see it on here, although it's all written in Korean:

http://www.seeko.co.kr/zboard4/zboard.php?id=review&no=26277

Hope it get posted soon on his blog in English so that more people can appreciate it.
 
Jun 26, 2013 at 2:36 PM Post #3,082 of 4,841
I just added this to the NT6 Pro thread:
 
Update to my early impressions: After 10 more hours of listening, all weirdness is gone leaving nothing but goodness. The full sound spectrum blends effortlessly and naturally. The way I would describe the signature now is full fidelity. Although it is described as extended at both ends, I see it as capable of effortlessly playing the full spectrum while the competition is truncated sounding small. The music sounds as if it is coming from full sized humans in the same room with me rather than coming from shrunken humans the size of ants. In addition, all instruments and voices are scaled naturally and correctly and 3D sounding as if they are in the same room standing around me. The competition often puts the drummer or and the singer in another room down the hall with the door shut and in the worse case, the whole band. This is very close to the experience of listening to my large Maggies with all their planer goodness paired with dual M&K subwoofers through a dedicated Rotel 1000 watt amp.
 
As for brightness, I don't see how this is a bright CIEM - this was my biggest holdup in choosing the NT6 Pro after reading the reviews. It feels clear and natural and is in no way fatiguing. However, the rumble and definition in the bass notes are what call the most attention to itself as exceptional. Normally, bass this good covers up the detail rather than adding to the detail. In this case, I can clearly hear the different resonance characteristics coming from the singers voice, the bass guitar, the lead guitar, and a flat bass kick from the drummer. These are usually muddied up into a single bloated bass note.
 
Although the NT6 Pro makes every source sound its best, it definitely scales well through the lower tier sources. Going from the iPhone/iPod to the Sansa family (Clip+/Zip/Fuse) there is a clear improvement moving to a much clearer cleaner presentation that is much fuller and more resolving. Moving up to a Colorfly C3 / C&C BH2 combo, the presentation again becomes even cleaner clearer and more resolving with a bigger more dynamic sound and fuller bass note. I hate to say it, but there is likely to be a ibasso DX100 or R10 in my future. 
 
I am very happy with my choice and all my fears were for not. I don't like bright presentations as I find them irratating - I don't find the NT6 Pro bright or sibilant but rather well balanced and clear. I don't like dark presentations as I find them lacking in detail or bass bloated - the NT6 is the clearest most transparent thing I have heard yet. I usually don't like what is considered balanced as they are usually missing both ends of the sound spectrum taking me to a bright (lack of bass) or boring presentation - the NT6 Pro is very balanced but extended to include the full spectrum at both ends creating a very exciting presentation. I still want a SE 5-Way, but I feel it will be complementry rather than competitive in sound signature.
 
Jun 26, 2013 at 5:34 PM Post #3,084 of 4,841
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pondu said:
Wow, again Barra, very interesting impressions, thanks.
Did you ask Hidition to modify the sound (i.e. lower trebles or something like that) ?
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I considered it based on hearing the term bright used so much, but no, the have the stock NT6 Pro sound signature. However, keep in mind that I don't have a collection of CIEMs like average_joe to compare them to where they might seem bright next to a range of darker signatures. As for listening to them on their own, bright is not how I would describe them at all. My Brainwavz B2 were bright due to the lack of bass and my TF10s can sound bright if I do not get a proper seal. But the NT6 Pro is obviously at a different level producing a grownup sound making the other seem like kids toys. The NT6 Pro from what I hear is just producing all frequencies high and low naturally as they should be reminding me of my home speaker setup. I hear instruments, not consolidated noise meant to represent the instruments.
 
Jun 27, 2013 at 2:32 AM Post #3,086 of 4,841
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barra said:
I considered it based on hearing the term bright used so much, but no, the have the stock NT6 Pro sound signature. However, keep in mind that I don't have a collection of CIEMs like average_joe to compare them to where they might seem bright next to a range of darker signatures. As for listening to them on their own, bright is not how I would describe them at all. My Brainwavz B2 were bright due to the lack of bass and my TF10s can sound bright if I do not get a proper seal. But the NT6 Pro is obviously at a different level producing a grownup sound making the other seem like kids toys. The NT6 Pro from what I hear is just producing all frequencies high and low naturally as they should be reminding me of my home speaker setup. I hear instruments, not consolidated noise meant to represent the instruments.
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This brings up the question: what is bright?  Is the HD800 bright and the LCD-2 "accurate," or is the HD800 "accurate" and the LCD-2 dark?  I tend to think somewhere between the two.  In comparison, the NT-6 pro is on the brighter side, but listening to them in a vacuum, the sound isn't bright since I can adjust.  It is an amazing headphone, and like I said, it offers the best clarity of any headphone I have heard.  I do believe the top tier CIEMs sound close to good speaker setups in certain ways, but the presentation is very different for me due to the immediacy of the sound.
 
Jun 27, 2013 at 4:21 AM Post #3,087 of 4,841

 
Proof that customs needn't cost the earth.  Cosmic Ears £100 ma1 (plus impressions, postage) Sansa Clip Plus £30 (plus sd card) all in probably around £150 or so!  Easy to fit, nice and unobtrusive.  Isolation is very good for the size (I couldn't hear a sony tv with the volume up to 45, normally have it on 23).
 
Cheers
 
Jun 27, 2013 at 6:34 AM Post #3,089 of 4,841
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davidcotton said:
One quick question, acryllic or silicone for long period wearing?
 
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I know that for me, acryllic starts causing aches at around the 3-4 hr point. 
 
Of course...I don' think I should be wearing them for that long.
 
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