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Multi-IEM Review - 352 IEMs compared (Pump Audio Earphones added 04/03/16 p. 1106)
May 8, 2011 at 2:11 PM Post #2,881 of 16,931
Actually, no, not recessed, that's a little much, maybe a little laid back as I am listening to them right now. Hmm, treble seems a tab bit laid back as well, but still a lot of clarity.
 
May 8, 2011 at 3:17 PM Post #2,883 of 16,931
I only burned them for a few hours, maybe that's why?
 
May 8, 2011 at 3:19 PM Post #2,884 of 16,931
Why it seems so hard to me tο distinguish the highs from the mids? I feel like the mids are actually the juice of the music. All the musical instruments and the liveness of the music lies in the mids. The problem is that most of the times its hard to pick the mids from the highs (treble). A guitar has many notes and strings.
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I see all of you can talk so comfortable about the mids but to me its hard to judge.
 
May 8, 2011 at 3:21 PM Post #2,885 of 16,931
The treble is usually were all the overtones lie, but the mids have the actual notes for strings/guitar. 
 
May 8, 2011 at 3:41 PM Post #2,886 of 16,931


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angelopsaro said:
Why it seems so hard to me tο distinguish the highs from the mids? I feel like the mids are actually the juice of the music. All the musical instruments and the liveness of the music lies in the mids. The problem is that most of the times its hard to pick the mids from the highs (treble). A guitar has many notes and strings.
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I see all of you can talk so comfortable about the mids but to me its hard to judge.
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You said it right there. Sometimes I find it hard to distinguish different tones because I prefer a midrange sound signature with good overall balance. If you enjoy listening to mid level frequencies, you won't notice highs and lows much unless it's obvious.
 
 
 
May 8, 2011 at 5:41 PM Post #2,887 of 16,931

 
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vinay2070 said:
Preference: 
 
1)Above average bass (Iam not a hardcode bass head, but I prefer a little more bass than usual :wink: )
2)Wide sound stage and details in music and mids to be on the warmer side. Not very particular about highs, but they should not be straining and should be there.
3)comfort. Note that I have a very small ear canal.
4)Build quality/isolation/microphonics.
 
One important thing. I want to buy either from the sub 100$ series or invest on a really good 250$ ones. What I saw was that from the first page is that the xcape scores a 8.x score on the SQ and the Westone2 scores 9.x. Does it mean that for a 180$ penalty there is only a 10% increase in performance?
 
If yes then should I stick with the sub 100$ series. Are the 250$ ones really worth it? If not, i would like to save that 180 bux for something more useful.
 
After 3 weeks of painstaking reading I have short listed the following(based on the reviews here and amazon) but really confused which one to buy. 
 
Sub 100$ Series:
 
1)Sunrise xcape Impressive edition
2)silver bullet
3)eterna 
4)Ne700x 
5)Hippo VB 
 
 
OR
 
250$ series.
1)UM2 - bass compared to NE-700x eterna?
2)Monster turbine copper.
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Diminishing returns is a well-established concept when it comes to higher-end audio gear and to many people the difference between a decent $250 in-ear and a very good $100 one will be quite small. Is the difference worth $100+? That's up to you. There are also a few high performers in the $150 range you skipped - namely the VSonic GR07 and Radius DDM. With the ones you've selected you seem to be leaning towards the 'bass monster' side of things. The VB has huge subbass and is also fairly hard to find at the moment. The Eterna and NE-700X are two of the most bass-heavy in-ears in that price range. On paper, that doesn't quite seem like what you want. The Silver Bullet and Xcape IE fall more in the realm of 'enhanced bass'. Both are solid earphones for the money. The Copper (and Gold) has maybe a touch more bass but still not as much as an Eterna. The UM2 - I have no idea. It's quite old but a dual BA can sometimes crank out a lot of bass (see Earsonics SM2).

 
 

 
 
May 8, 2011 at 6:07 PM Post #2,888 of 16,931
Joker i ask you cause you tested both but anyone else is free to comment. How would you compare the cc51 with the q-jays. One is rated 8 and the other 9 but i have a feeling i will like the cc51 more.
I dont know why but i cant settle with q-jays. The difference with the stock foams to the silicone tips is very big. The problem is that the dry of the mids make the sound a bit less fun and live? 
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  Also mids make the sound more distant than my brainwavz M1? For a 150$ iem this is frustrating.
They are very comfortable and looks great but it seems i want to try something different with better mids maybe (?). Is this placebo or the mids could be better?
 
P.S when foam tips need to be changed, tend to make the sound more warm and less edgy?
 
May 8, 2011 at 8:32 PM Post #2,889 of 16,931


Quote:
vinay2070 said:
 
Hi Guys,
 
I am completely new to this and REALLY REALLY need some help deciding which IEM  to buy. Source would be clip+, pc audigy card. Unamped.
 
Preference: 
 
1)Above average bass (Iam not a hardcode bass head, but I prefer a little more bass than usual :wink: )
2)Wide sound stage and details in music and mids to be on the warmer side. Not very particular about highs, but they should not be straining and should be there.
3)comfort. Note that I have a very small ear canal.
4)Build quality/isolation/microphonics.
 
One important thing. I want to buy either from the sub 100$ series or invest on a really good 250$ ones. What I saw was that from the first page is that the xcape scores a 8.x score on the SQ and the Westone2 scores 9.x. Does it mean that for a 180$ penalty there is only a 10% increase in performance?
 
If yes then should I stick with the sub 100$ series. Are the 250$ ones really worth it? If not, i would like to save that 180 bux for something more useful.
 
After 3 weeks of painstaking reading I have short listed the following(based on the reviews here and amazon) but really confused which one to buy. 
 
Sub 100$ Series:
 
1)Sunrise xcape Impressive edition
2)silver bullet
3)eterna 
4)Ne700x 
5)Hippo VB 
 
 
OR
 
250$ series.
1)UM2 - bass compared to NE-700x eterna?
2)Monster turbine copper.
 
I have exluded the following out as I read that they have low bass/ not enough for my taste.
1)DBA-02
2)Ck10
 
I dont stay in US and I dont have the luxary of trying them out at a shop or Sending back if I don't like them. It will be a one shot purchase and use.
Please feel free to refer some other that i may have missed. I cant go beyond 250$ though.
 
GUYS, I really really need some assistance. All i have is this forum to blindly make a choice and live with what I buy in one shot.
 
Thanks a Lot
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Hi, looking at your preference for sound, the new Future Sonics Atrio is perfect (|joker| only had the first version in his review, we are on the third version now with a new driver too so it would have a much higher score). You can get one for $179 and, for you, I would recommend it over the monster turbine pro copper (which also excellently fits your sound preferrence) because the copper has had a few issues with reliability. The copper and atrio both have excellent warranty policies (the copper is the best in the industry), but you don't want to have to ship something back to the U.S., so go with the Atrio. It has the bass and sub-bass, the warm mids and the treble you want. Soundstage with any iem is partly due to recording, fit, etc., and people on head-fi tend not to recognize that. I would say they have about the same soundstage. Comfort and fit should be good either way.
 
Enoy.
 
May 8, 2011 at 10:22 PM Post #2,890 of 16,931
 
Quote:
angelopsaro said:
Joker i ask you cause you tested both but anyone else is free to comment. How would you compare the cc51 with the q-jays. One is rated 8 and the other 9 but i have a feeling i will like the cc51 more.
I dont know why but i cant settle with q-jays. The difference with the stock foams to the silicone tips is very big. The problem is that the dry of the mids make the sound a bit less fun and live? 
confused.gif
  Also mids make the sound more distant than my brainwavz M1? For a 150$ iem this is frustrating.
They are very comfortable and looks great but it seems i want to try something different with better mids maybe (?). Is this placebo or the mids could be better?
 
P.S when foam tips need to be changed, tend to make the sound more warm and less edgy?
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The q-JAYS isn't really a fun-sounding earphone and its balance is a pretty stark contrast to the somewhat mid-forward M1. The CC51 follows neither of these signatures - it emphasizes bass/mids without giving up much in the treble. I think it's a fairly unique sound because other nozzle-mounted dynamic microdrivers, namely those produced by Hippo and JVC, usually have more of a treble-oriented balance. Regardless, I put the CC51 between the q-JAYS and M1 in technical ability but I do think the midrange is one of its strengths.
 
May 8, 2011 at 11:23 PM Post #2,892 of 16,931
Added the VSonic GR07.
 
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astralstorm said:
I've spotted some neglect of Philips line of IEMs in the reviews. There are some cheap and good models in there supposedly...
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Can't cover everything. I did risk Philips a number of times in my portable headphone thread and their stuff is really hit or miss. No consistent signature and really no way to know what's good and what isn't ahead of time. 
 
May 9, 2011 at 1:09 AM Post #2,893 of 16,931
Hey joker, 
 
I'm sure you are probably already planning to do this, but when you review the HF3 can you make sure to compare it to the MC5 that you reviewed? I'm curious to see how Etymotic scales.
 
Many thanks,
 
Chris Langley.
 
May 9, 2011 at 3:02 AM Post #2,895 of 16,931
Thanks for the review joker. From your review, the GR-07 seems too good to be true. I wonder if you could really nitpick one thing about its sound, what would it be? This is compared to the competitions in the 9.4-9.5 SQ rating category.
 
 
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