ZMF Atrium vs Meze Empyrean

Which of the two would be your personal preference?

  • Atrium

    Votes: 29 69.0%
  • Empyrean

    Votes: 13 31.0%

  • Total voters
    42
Aug 8, 2024 at 5:00 PM Post #16 of 19
Uhm, I see. Well, if we're not talking about serious hi-fi but just a general consumer-grade posing rather than exploring the absolute possibilities, then that is not a discussion for me.

For people looking for absolute performance, there is a big bridge to gap in terms of the whole chain like I outlined the last time, otherwise Empyreans won't sound anywhere near their full potential. I'm not really surprised that in your system, you found them unworthy.
The sad state of affairs these days is that general head-fi public thinks that if they spend a few grand on each of the critically perceived equipment (limited to DAC+AMP, sometimes perhaps a source component), they should be getting hardware that ought to be extracting around optimum performance from their headphones. While this might be the case with many HPs, it's far from the truth in case of Empy 1.

If you had really cleaned your setup from all the noise (both electrical and resonant!), you would clearly hear how they scale and react to every tiniest change in your setup. But that requires a real commitment - learning and experimenting. Not snake-oiling. After many many thousands of hours of tweaking my own system, I still haven't found their limit of performance. I would even argue that they're extremely picky on their feed and while forgiving thanks to their tonal balance, the bass often suffers because the chain what is feeding them, is messing the bass up.

The most overlooked or underestimated component is indeed the source. What isn't rendered there with pristine clarity, no level of DAC or AMP will make up for it (that might very well be the reason, why one doesn't hear a change of the DAC).
Unfortunately, there is hardly any digital source that sounds really well. Recently I've visited one of the highly regarded high-end studio in my country, where the source was a €27.000 big fat machine. Unfortunately, even despite the horrendous price tag of the whole system, it sounded just gross in my view - mainly because of hyped & piercing highs, although focus was exceptional. But overall, it was not listenable, let alone enjoyable (I even had tinnitus for the next 3 days). That just proves that no amount of money ensures a highly resolving and a velvety pleasant sound at the same time.

There was some low hanging fruit to be harvested with that system, especially in cable routing and resonance management, but I won't go into details now. I've made there a good 1,5 days of clean-up and connected my own source - DIY Diretta endpoint, which I have been meticulously developing for the last past years. Nothing else changed in the hardware department, yet the system sounded like it was upgraded another $100k. You don't have to believe me, you can read it from the owner himself. And all I changed was the source - first device before the DAC and implemented my rules of resonance management to other digital equipment and their power supplies.

This photo is before the clean-up.
 

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Aug 8, 2024 at 5:09 PM Post #17 of 19
Uhm, I see. Well, if we're not talking about serious hi-fi but just a general consumer-grade posing rather than exploring the absolute possibilities, then that is not a discussion for me.

For people looking for absolute performance, there is a big bridge to gap in terms of the whole chain like I outlined the last time, otherwise Empyreans won't sound anywhere near their full potential. I'm not really surprised that in your system, you found them unworthy.
The sad state of affairs these days is that general head-fi public thinks that if they spend a few grand on each of the critically perceived equipment (limited to DAC+AMP, sometimes perhaps a source component), they should be getting hardware that ought to be extracting around optimum performance from their headphones. While this might be the case with many HPs, it's far from the truth in case of Empy 1.

If you had really cleaned your setup from all the noise (both electrical and resonant!), you would clearly hear how they scale and react to every tiniest change in your setup. But that requires a real commitment - learning and experimenting. Not snake-oiling. After many many thousands of hours of tweaking my own system, I still haven't found their limit of performance. I would even argue that they're extremely picky on their feed and while forgiving thanks to their tonal balance, the bass often suffers because the chain what is feeding them, is messing the bass up.

The most overlooked or underestimated component is indeed the source. What isn't rendered there with pristine clarity, no level of DAC or AMP will make up for it (that might very well be the reason, why one doesn't hear a change of the DAC).
Unfortunately, there is hardly any digital source that sounds really well. Recently I've visited one of the highly regarded high-end studio in my country, where the source was a €27.000 big fat machine. Unfortunately, even despite the horrendous price tag of the whole system, it sounded just gross in my view - mainly because of hyped & piercing highs, although focus was exceptional. But overall, it was not listenable, let alone enjoyable (I even had tinnitus for the next 3 days). That just proves that no amount of money ensures a highly resolving and a velvety pleasant sound at the same time.

There was some low hanging fruit to be harvested with that system, especially in cable routing and resonance management, but I won't go into details now. I've made there a good 1,5 days of clean-up and connected my own source - DIY Diretta endpoint, which I have been meticulously developing for the last past years. Nothing else changed in the hardware department, yet the system sounded like it was upgraded another $100k. You don't have to believe me, you can read it from the owner himself. And all I changed was the source - first device before the DAC and implemented my rules of resonance management to other digital equipment and their power supplies.

This photo is before the clean-up.
Maybe. But again this isn't a forum thread that we're commenting on spending over $100K to make a $1400 headphone sound good. The OP was looking for a recommendation on either an Atrium or Empy running on a very modest system.

The above system is obviously a one of one so trying to compare one way or another with someone else's experience is a fruitless exploration.

I've been in a lot of ultra high end rooms and never seen the ratio of source gear to transducer been tilted so high.
 
Aug 21, 2024 at 10:28 PM Post #18 of 19
Agree that you’d want a decent amp if you’re going for the ZMFs. Without the right amp pairing you’ll probably be disappointed as I was. But once you match it to the right amp they sound incredible.
 
Sep 12, 2024 at 1:16 PM Post #19 of 19
I have had LCD-X from 2013 year for many months and HE1000se. Choosing Empyreans over them is very easy for me. LCD-X had flat in your face agressive presentation with monitor manner and HEKse were painfuly dry. I'm fan of HiFiMAN headphones but those old models like HE-6, HE500, HE560, Ananda OG where midrange was fuller, more organic and natural. Meze have in sound a lot of from planar technology but with I will call that ZMF sweetness. I hear just a little pinch of planar dryness only when compare with my Auteur OG which are a little bit more organic and with unbeatable depth. Meze have amazing holography and liquid in sound. Very balanced signature for my taste. I know some would say they are not technicality kings, right, but not everyone are chasing detail and separation monsters. Meze are never boomy but I found that xDuoo XD05 Pro as DAC + Aune S17 Pro has perfect control and dynamics for dense and heavy sounding headphones. Previous sources had more looseness and were to slow if I can name it like that. Yes they do scale well because only from alone XD05 Pro you feel drop in quality.

As for Atriums I'm just a one or two steps closer to try them because of shrinking my HP collection and hopefuly I will have a chance to come back here with my subjective impressions about comparision between them and Meze Empy :)

EDIT. I forgot to mention that I'm using Viablue EPC-4 conductor based balanced cable which emphasizes the subbass, slims down the midbass, adds air to the top and gently smoothes out the sharpness. For my taste is matching better than Litz OCC conductor.
 
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