XDuoo XD-05 Portable Dac/Amp Introduction - Impressions
Feb 26, 2021 at 1:47 AM Post #1,921 of 2,100
Well, I still think it would drive the HD650 with ease by looking how much volume I had left on HG.

You have fully right to not to trust the Xduoo and dislike the XD05+, even though you haven't heard it, that's fine.
But I dont get it, why are you trolling? If I don't like some stuff or I think it's garbage I just steer away from it, forum threads included.
You are right, XD-05 Plus drives HD650 with ease. I have been running HD650/HD6XX on quite a few portable AMPs for the past seven years. The AMPs I had were FiiO E11, A5, Q1mk2, Cayin C5 and Topping NX4. By far this is the best portable AMP I have owned.
Does it drive HD6XX better than desktop AMPs? No, certainly not but it doesn't matter. It's a battery powered portable AMP and it does good job of driving harder to drive headphones with ease.
 
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Feb 28, 2021 at 9:44 PM Post #1,922 of 2,100
Hello Hello, Some questions as I'm interested in this device for my Desk

  • Is there any channel imbalance with IEMs at the lower volume?
  • Does the BT Adapter have a charging passthrough? E.g you can Charge while using BT?
  • Does it play well with Sensitive IEMs?
  • Does anyone happen to own both the Basic and Plus model? Are the Plus a major upgrade in term of SQ?
  • Can you use the unit without having the Battery inside it? as in, will it be able to function without a physical battery?
Thanks!
 
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Mar 1, 2021 at 10:12 AM Post #1,923 of 2,100
Hello Hello, Some questions as I'm interested in this device for my Desk

  • Is there any channel imbalance with IEMs at the lower volume?

Yes, at least with my unit. But it is so low volume, with listenable volumes balance is fine. It is the pot that is causing it.

  • Does the BT Adapter have a charging passthrough? E.g you can Charge while using BT?
No it doesn't have the charging passtrough, but yest you can charge both devices. You will need 2 charging cables and connect like this.
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  • Does it play well with Sensitive IEMs?
To my ears yes.

  • Does anyone happen to own both the Basic and Plus model? Are the Plus a major upgrade in term of SQ?
Can't help you with this. Plus is twice as powerfull
  • Can you use the unit without having the Battery inside it? as in, will it be able to function without a physical battery?
I don't think you can. I don't see reason to do so anyway as the battery is the cleanest power source.
 
Mar 3, 2021 at 12:48 AM Post #1,925 of 2,100
No it doesn't have the charging passtrough, but yest you can charge both devices. You will need 2 charging cables and connect like this.
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To my ears yes.


Can't help you with this. Plus is twice as powerfull

I don't think you can. I don't see reason to do so anyway as the battery is the cleanest power source.
^^ One question:

- Where can i find a aftermarket battery for the xduoo regular xd-05 ??
Thanks.

- - Another question to you all:

- I noticed that one plus has placed online a new version of its usb drivers, and that they are signed to work with the win 10 after anniversary edition. I'm still using a old version of its drivers (the ones previous to win10 requiring the drivers to be specificalyy signed, so i want to know if i can use the new v5 drivers from xduoo? and do i have to unsinstall the previously ones before?
Thanks.
 
Mar 3, 2021 at 1:59 AM Post #1,926 of 2,100
^^ One question:

- Where can i find a aftermarket battery for the xduoo regular xd-05 ??
Thanks.

- - Another question to you all:

- I noticed that one plus has placed online a new version of its usb drivers, and that they are signed to work with the win 10 after anniversary edition. I'm still using a old version of its drivers (the ones previous to win10 requiring the drivers to be specificalyy signed, so i want to know if i can use the new v5 drivers from xduoo? and do i have to unsinstall the previously ones before?
Thanks.
I don't think you need to install any drivers, windows will install USB driver automatically. It's plug and play.
 
Mar 3, 2021 at 7:16 AM Post #1,927 of 2,100
Mar 3, 2021 at 7:18 AM Post #1,928 of 2,100
^^ One question:

- Where can i find a aftermarket battery for the xduoo regular xd-05 ??
Thanks.
I recognise that this is little help if you are outside China, but below is a link to a TaoBao vendor selling replacement batteries. There are only 2 vendors on TB selling these.
Hoping that some information in here can help you to find it on AliExpress or similar:

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?sp...dmw2SV&id=579191456687&ns=1&abbucket=2#detail

Edit:
I then went to AliExpress and searched XD-05 battery:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100...earchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_

Even easier! Good luck in your quest :)
 
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Mar 3, 2021 at 2:14 PM Post #1,929 of 2,100
I recognise that this is little help if you are outside China, but below is a link to a TaoBao vendor selling replacement batteries. There are only 2 vendors on TB selling these.
Hoping that some information in here can help you to find it on AliExpress or similar:

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?sp...dmw2SV&id=579191456687&ns=1&abbucket=2#detail

Edit:
I then went to AliExpress and searched XD-05 battery:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100...earchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_

Even easier! Good luck in your quest :)

XD-05 and XD-05 Plus uses the asme Battery?
 
Mar 7, 2021 at 4:14 AM Post #1,931 of 2,100
Over the last few months I've tested 42 different Op Amps in order to find one that makes the XD-05+ sound just as good as a high quality desktop amp. In short, I failed. The chip that sounds closest to my desktop reference is probably about 90% there. 90% is certainly close, but I really was hoping for perfection. Having tried almost all of the reputable chips, I would bet the remaining 10% is probably some other part of the Amplifier that would need to be upgraded (capacitors, or some other part of the design).

Below is some info on the chips, all of which is entirely subjective and mainly applies to the XD-05+. This is likely also relevant to the regular XD-05 (for dual chips), but I've got no way to confirm that. My main focus was to find a sound that is faithful to the original intent, and as close as possible to what a desktop amp would provide. That said, some chips are just technically better than others even if they aren't truly neutral, so trying to rank them gets complicated.

The Winner:

AD827SQ : Tonally perfect, with a semi 3D sound stage and great details. With this chip the only thing holding the Amp back is a little more separation and refined clarity on every note. It's close, but a desktop amp will still sound better in a subtle but noticeable way.

Notable Runner Ups:

AD829SQ: Just like the AD827SQ, but a little thinner. May be preferable if your headphones are a little thick by default.

AD827AQ: Similar to the 827SQ, but without the 3D stage, softer details, and an extended treble. Costing less than half of the SQ, this is a great choice if you don't feel like spending for the SQ, and don't mind a treble that extends all the way without being sibilant.

AD829AQ: Just like the AD827SQ, but with a little less of everything (stage, details, separation, etc...)

Muses02: Slightly higher than neutral which leads to a much 'clearer' sound compared to the 827SQ. Very good separation and stage, but the downside of this chip is that it is brighter and thinner than it should be. May be a good choice if you have dark or thick sounding headphones.

Muses03: Brilliant stage and details, marred by a much lower than neutral tone. This probably has the best stage and separation of all the chips. The treble is very rolled off, leading to a much lower than expected tone. May be a great choice for those that have overly bright headphones, or those that are very treble sensitive. Those looking for neutral should look elsewhere though.

Burson V5i: The thread favorite. Going by majority consensus this is the chip to get. As far as technical performance goes, it is excellent. Great stage width, depth, and details. What keeps this from being my #1 or #2 is the much darker than neutral tone, and a subtly loose bass response. It's not as tonally low as the Muses03, but it's close. Every note is a bit off which is fine for most music, but with electronic music it's very noticable.

Other Chips worth mentioning:

OPA627: Renowned in many DIY forums for many different setups, but it just doesn't work that well in the XD-05. Produces a good sound, but overall flat and boring.

Muses01: Way north of neutral in tone. All notes are brighter than they should be. The only nice thing about this chip is how clear everything is, but that is just due to how thin the mids are.

Muses8920: Of the Muses this one is closest to neutral. Less bright than the Muses02, but just a hint north of neutral and a bit thin. It has better stage and separation than most regular chips, but lacks refinement compared to Muses02 and Muses03. May shine with the right headphone setup, and also costs significantly less than the rest of the Muses line.

OPA1612 (Stock): Similar to OPA627, this is also renowned in DIY forums. It seems like a technically capable chip, but something about it isn't right in the XD-05. Puts out a dark, muffled, and mostly flat sound in this application.

Here's the rest of the breakdown. This is not ordered in a true ranking. I've got details on all the chips, but it would take too long to truly rank them. I doubt anyone cares which one is #37 as opposed to #38 (I certainly don't), so they are just categorized more in generalized groups:

Op AmpSingle/DualRank
AD827SQDual1- Best
AD829SQSingle2 - Excellent
AD829AQSingle2 - Excellent
Muses02Dual2 - Excellent
Muses03Single2 - Excellent
AD827AQDual2 - Excellent
AD822Dual2 - Excellent
AD828Dual2 - Excellent
Burson V5iDual2 - Excellent
AD811Single3 - Great
AD844AQSingle3 - Great
LT1122Single3 - Great
Muses8920Dual3 - Great
NJM2114Dual3 - Great
OP275Dual3 - Great
OPA2134Dual3 - Great
OPA2227Dual3 - Great
OPA2228Dual3 - Great
OPA2277Dual3 - Great
RC4558Dual3 - Great
AD797Single3 - Great
AD711Single4 - Good
Muses01Dual4 - Good
OPA604Single4 - Good
OPA627Single4 - Good
AD712Dual5 - Mediocre
LF353Dual5 - Mediocre
LM4562Dual5 - Mediocre
LM833Dual5 - Mediocre
LME49720Dual5 - Mediocre
NE5532Dual5 - Mediocre
NJM4560Dual5 - Mediocre
OPA2132Dual5 - Mediocre
TL0171Single5 - Mediocre
TLO52Dual5 - Mediocre
OPA1612 (Stock)Dual5 - Mediocre
AD823Dual6 - Bad
AD826Dual6 - Bad
NE5534Single6 - Bad
NJM2068Dual6 - Bad
NJM4558Dual6 - Bad
OPA134Single6 - Bad

Would you happen to know where the AD8397 would fall in terms of sonic character or if it's even a good opamp to begin with? Btw, this opamp was last revised in 2005.

https://www.analog.com/en/products/ad8397.html
 
Mar 10, 2021 at 1:04 PM Post #1,933 of 2,100
I recognise that this is little help if you are outside China, but below is a link to a TaoBao vendor selling replacement batteries. There are only 2 vendors on TB selling these.
Hoping that some information in here can help you to find it on AliExpress or similar:

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?sp...dmw2SV&id=579191456687&ns=1&abbucket=2#detail

Edit:
I then went to AliExpress and searched XD-05 battery:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100...earchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_

Even easier! Good luck in your quest :)
wow thanks. a little expensive but if thats what is needed so be it. thanks again.
 
Mar 10, 2021 at 1:07 PM Post #1,934 of 2,100
- I noticed that one plus has placed online a new version of its usb drivers, and that they are signed to work with the win 10 after anniversary edition. I'm still using a old version of its drivers (the ones previous to win10 requiring the drivers to be specificalyy signed, so i want to know if i can use the new v5 drivers from xduoo? and do i have to unsinstall the previously ones before?
Thanks.

does anybody has tried the new drivers? i havent tried cause the last time it broke and had to install windows 10 again to get it to work again.
 
Mar 25, 2021 at 6:14 PM Post #1,935 of 2,100
Would you happen to know where the AD8397 would fall in terms of sonic character or if it's even a good opamp to begin with? Btw, this opamp was last revised in 2005.

https://www.analog.com/en/products/ad8397.html
AD8397 is one of the worst opamps to start your adventure with opamps.

It is very hard to get it working, in XD05+ it was oscillating for me.
 

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