Widescreen LCD monitor question

[lan]

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Originally Posted by HD-5000 Its boxed like that because its properly showing the amount of pixels of the DVD video. What is the max res of your monitor? I have a Dell 2007WFP and it has 1680 by 1050. The typical res of DVD-video is 720 by 480. You will lose quality by filling out your screen. Can't avoid it.

If it's widescreen, it's probably anamorphic and has to scale anyway. Maybe the program he's using isn't scaling to the maximum width. You don't really lose quality by filling in the screen. It just gets enlarged.

 

[redshifter]

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Originally Posted by lan If it's widescreen, it's probably anamorphic and has to scale anyway. Maybe the program he's using isn't scaling to the maximum width. You don't really lose quality by filling in the screen. It just gets enlarged.

what do you mean by scale?

and by anamorphic are you talking about the 16:9 squeeze?

if i am already at the maximum resolution for dvd, i simply do not see how i won't lose quality if enlarged. where do the extra pixels come from?

i've tried every setting nero showtime has, and the only setting that pushes the image to the right and left edges of the screen actually distorts the image horizontally.

 

[Arainach]

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Originally Posted by redshifter if i am already at the maximum resolution for dvd, i simply do not see how i won't lose quality if enlarged. where do the extra pixels come from?

You lose quality downscaling. Upscaling you lose no quality, only sharpness. And the extra pixels come from interpolation. All the original quality is there along with the interpolated pixels. Besides....Resizing algorithms are rather advanced. I have no issue watching monitors stretched to any of my screens, be it my 1600x1200 LCD, my 1024x768 laptop, or my 1280x1024 CRT.

Also, most widescreen computer monitors are in fact 16:10 rather than 16:9.

 

[redshifter]

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Originally Posted by Arainach You lose quality downscaling. Upscaling you lose no quality, only sharpness. And the extra pixels come from interpolation. All the original quality is there along with the interpolated pixels. Besides....Resizing algorithms are rather advanced. I have no issue watching monitors stretched to any of my screens, be it my 1600x1200 LCD, my 1024x768 laptop, or my 1280x1024 CRT. Also, most widescreen computer monitors are in fact 16:10 rather than 16:9.

thanks. i'll check it for myself before i make any more judgements.

 

[lan]

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Originally Posted by redshifter what do you mean by scale? and by anamorphic are you talking about the 16:9 squeeze? if i am already at the maximum resolution for dvd, i simply do not see how i won't lose quality if enlarged. where do the extra pixels come from? i've tried every setting nero showtime has, and the only setting that pushes the image to the right and left edges of the screen actually distorts the image horizontally.

Anamorphic recording is taking 16:9 information and squeezing it into a smaller frame size. 720x480 (NTSC DVD) for example. Upon play plack, it is widened and becomes widescreen. The other way to store it on the frame in widescreen is with black bars on top and bottom(letterboxed). Your above situation reminds of this because it has expanded to the max vertical space but won't go to the side edges. Do all your widescreen DVDs play like the above? Some will be encoded one way and others in anamorphic. I think all modern ones should be anamorphic as the advantage of this is you maintain maximum vertical resolution.

Look at this one site: http://gregl.net/videophile/anamorphic.htm scroll down to "If you watch a letterboxed movie on it, you'll see grey bars on the sides as well as the black bars on top and bottom, like this:" That's what your image looks like IMO. letterbox recording on widescreen display and not anamorphic recording being enlarged to the width of your display. I'm just wondering if it's that one particular disc.

 

[JaGWiRE]

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Originally Posted by Arainach You lose quality downscaling. Upscaling you lose no quality, only sharpness. And the extra pixels come from interpolation. All the original quality is there along with the interpolated pixels. Besides....Resizing algorithms are rather advanced. I have no issue watching monitors stretched to any of my screens, be it my 1600x1200 LCD, my 1024x768 laptop, or my 1280x1024 CRT. Also, most widescreen computer monitors are in fact 16:10 rather than 16:9.

Listen to him, he know's what he's talking about. In fact, I've never seen a 16:9 monitor (although I am sure a few exist.)

I think it's time you try other software. Obviously Nero Showtime is not doing a very good job suiting your needs, some software like windvd and powerdvd might be a good idea. I also have had luck with winamp set to 16:10 in the aspect ratio option (for normal videos that is.)

 

[redshifter]

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Originally Posted by lan Anamorphic recording is taking 16:9 information and squeezing it into a smaller frame size. 720x480 (NTSC DVD) for example. Upon play plack, it is widened and becomes widescreen. The other way to store it on the frame in widescreen is with black bars on top and bottom(letterboxed). Your above situation reminds of this because it has expanded to the max vertical space but won't go to the side edges. Do all your widescreen DVDs play like the above? Some will be encoded one way and others in anamorphic. I think all modern ones should be anamorphic as the advantage of this is you maintain maximum vertical resolution. Look at this one site: http://gregl.net/videophile/anamorphic.htm scroll down to "If you watch a letterboxed movie on it, you'll see grey bars on the sides as well as the black bars on top and bottom, like this:" That's what your image looks like IMO. letterbox recording on widescreen display and not anamorphic recording being enlarged to the width of your display. I'm just wondering if it's that one particular disc.

heh, i've used that exact link to explain aspect ratios before. without visuals explaining aspect ratios is like trying to tapdance geometry.

the disc in question is the criterion "time bandits" which is anamorphic encoded.

 

[HD-5000]

Yeah Arainach, technically you will not lose quality when interpolating, but practically yeah, you will not keep the perceived sharpness of the video when enlarged. I thought that redshifter thought that he could keep the sharpness of the small boxed-in image when enlarged, when you really can't.

I don't have any trouble enlarging it either. I just sit back a foot and enjoy the movie.

 

[JahJahBinks]

are all 4 edges not being stretched or only two of them aren't?