[StanD]

  FFB rejects ABX as a viable test method for detecting differences between hi-res and Redbook format.

Truth be damned, I think he prefers anecdotes that support his speculations.

 

[miceblue]

FFB rejects ABX as a viable test method for detecting differences between hi-res and Redbook format.

Ah, I see. Well then, since this is the Internet, you can believe anyone for anything. I can pass the ABX test really easily, so easily that I don't need to provide an ABX log because it's just a waste of my time. It's okay, I can do it absolutely for certain. I'm an Expert; you cannot deny my claims. I have been working in the industry for over 30 years and you pathetic, think-you-know-all plebeians know nothing about 24-bit audio and high-resolution music. My brain, ears, and ego have transcended all.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg[/video]

Thanks for the links, I'm going to give them a listen and have a look at the wave forms.

And please link me to where you posted your 10 ABX trials. I thought I saw them somewhere but don't remember where.

I had logs for a different test. The Foobar ABX plugin also got updated recently, so it's a lot more accurate with a checksum and it makes it harder to make up data.
http://www.foobar2000.org/abx/signaturecheck

Spoiler: abx log

Setup: MacBook, USB A-USB B printer cable, LH Labs Linear Power Supply 4, LightSpeed 1G USB cable to LH Labs Pulse X Infinity, high gain, Femto Time Mode digital filter, XLR balanced headphone out, HIFIMAN HE1000 [beta]. I was using the original 24/96 file and the original 16/44.1 downsampled file, so the DAC did have a delay for sample rate switching. I wanted to do this in case someone made the argument that an upsampled 16/44.1 file to 24/96 somehow makes the ABX test invalid. Foobar's output was via ASIO, minimum latency, small 256 sample buffer size.


foo_abx 2.0 report
foobar2000 v1.3.8
2015-07-13 11:31:47

File A: A.flac
SHA1: 8ce7cdf117f2f7a0a4c934dcd04724c593842218
File B: B-1644_Original.flac
SHA1: a82d0e8be147c62b4532a1b9316795d13c7b16e8

Output:
ASIO : foo_dsd_asio
Crossfading: NO

11:31:47 : Test started.
11:33:54 : 00/01
11:34:50 : 00/02
11:35:39 : 00/03
11:36:03 : 01/04
11:36:41 : 02/05
11:36:58 : 02/06
11:37:10 : 02/07
11:37:38 : 02/08
11:38:02 : 02/09
11:38:47 : 03/10
11:39:34 : 04/11
11:39:47 : 05/12
11:39:47 : Test finished.

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Total: 5/12
Probability that you were guessing: 80.6%

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[upstateguy]

 

  My remastered 176.4/24 recording of the 1959 album Time Out by Dave Brubeck is the best sounding music I own.  Much better than my existing 44/16 recording of the same. Time Out was the first hi-res album I bought.  I was impressed.

Because of this album, I bought a few more.  All genres.  Some ADD like the Brubeck recording (including other Brubeck recordings) and some DDD.  None sound remarkably different than the equivalent 44/16 recording.  

I have good DACs that handle at least 176.4/24.  And average DACs that work fine at 44/16.  And then there is my iPhone 6 DAC.

Everything except this one Brubeck album sound pretty much the same.  What gives?

= = = 
 
​I have down sampled 176.4/24/24 to 44/16 and up sampled to 384/32.   Still, nothing changes much.

My decidedly non-audiophile conclusion:

The Brubeck recording was remastered extremely well.  Doesn't mater how I play it.  The sound is good.  

Other hi-res material I have is the opposite.  It doesn't sound much different at any sample / bit rate.  
I figure: The re-mastering (if any) was mediocre and so was the final result. 

Maybe people are focusing on the wrong facets of hi-res audio?

 
This one should be permanently pinned

Thanks for the reminder....  it is a great recording.

 

[arnyk]

  FFB rejects ABX as a viable test method for detecting differences between hi-res and Redbook format.

 
It's all part of his personal little logic-tight box.

 

[Steve Eddy]

It's all part of his personal little logic-tight box.

Some people's brains just aren't wired for terribly rational thought. In that respect you can't really blame them. It's just how their DNA wired them up. Doesn't make it any less frustrating dealing with them though.

se

 

[arnyk]

Some people's brains just aren't wired for terribly rational thought. In that respect you can't really blame them. It's just how their DNA wired them up. Doesn't make it any less frustrating dealing with them though.

se

 
I know exactly what you are talking about Steve, but just because its part of nature doesn't mean that people are absolved of the responsibility to know themselves and their personal limitations and act accordingly.
 
I can't throw a baseball worth a darn (never have) so I don't present myself as being a good pitcher, always defer to those who have better natural ability (just  about everybody), and don't try to lecture people about how to throw a ball.

 

[Steve Eddy]

I know exactly what you are talking about Steve, but just because its part of nature doesn't mean that people are absolved of the responsibility to know themselves and their personal limitations and act accordingly.

Do you realize what you're saying here?

Think about it for a moment.

se

 

[icebear]

ROFL ... that door was w i i i i i d e open

 

[arnyk]

Do you realize what you're saying here?

Think about it for a moment.

se

 
 
No Steve I never think one second about what I post here. It makes my posts fit in with yours that show zero thought and insight, just ongoing hatred. What do you think?

 

[Steve Eddy]

ROFL ... that door was w i i i i i d e open

And sadly, I think I'm going to have to add Arny to the list of those who just aren't wired for terribly rational thought. The irony is downright painful.

se

 

[arnyk]

And sadly, I think I'm going to have to add Arny to the list of those who just aren't wired for terribly rational thought.

se

 
Crocodile tears become you, Steve. Or should I say you have become them?
 
It is true that I'm not wired for terribly rational thought. I'm wired for really pretty good rational thought.
 
You want to talk about opening doors? In the interest of peace I have granted you mercy. No matter what you do, no matter what insult you contrive, no matter how many of your friends you try to get to pile up on me, that will continue. Enjoy!

 

[Steve Eddy]

It is true that I'm not wired for terribly rational thought. I'm wired for really pretty good rational thought.

You just pulled down your pants and have demonstrated to everyone reading this that obviously you are not.

You want to talk about opening doors? In the interest of peace I have granted you mercy.

[VIDEO]http://youtu.be/zKhEw7nD9C4[/VIDEO]


se

 

[interpolate]

I know a song that'll you get on your nerves.

 

[Gr8Desire]

   
I know exactly what you are talking about Steve, but just because its part of nature doesn't mean that people are absolved of the responsibility to know themselves and their personal limitations and act accordingly.
 
I can't throw a baseball worth a darn (never have) so I don't present myself as being a good pitcher, always defer to those who have better natural ability (just  about everybody), and don't try to lecture people about how to throw a ball.

If more audiophiles played baseball...
 

1. I dipped my baseball in helium. Now it goes farther (I hasten to use the verb further, but that distinction will only encourage the fringe elements).  
2. I changed to oxygen-free stitching on my baseball. It now spins with less obfuscation.
3. I extended my glove by 8 fingers. It is now more digits-al.
4. I upgraded to vinyl shoes. They have more natural curves and reduce ringing by 20%.
5. Added unidirectional laces and increased my dynamic static potential by a factor of 2. 

 

[bfreedma]

 
If more audiophiles played baseball...
 

1. I dipped my baseball in helium. Now it goes farther (I hasten to use the verb further, but that distinction will only encourage the fringe elements).  
2. I changed to oxygen-free stitching on my baseball. It now spins with less obfuscation.
3. I extended my glove by 8 fingers. It is now more digits-al.
4. I upgraded to vinyl shoes. They have more natural curves and reduce ringing by 20%.
5. Added unidirectional laces and increased my dynamic static potential by a factor of 2. 

 
Ironically, you might be surprised at how many takers your would get.  Superstition and belief in unproven magical abilities is as prevalent in professional sports as it is in audio.
 
Copper bands and titanium performance necklaces anyone?.....