[studentofSound]

I like their durability, but they don't fold up as small as actual portable, on ear headphones. Probably not much bigger than the M50s though.

I would suggest that you order from somewhere that you can return the headphones--whichever one you buy. For example, usually it's only $10 to $12 to return headphones to Amazon or Fulfilled by Amazon and RMA is easy (not the the 3rd party vendors that do their own shipping, though). That's what I do

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of doing the same thing. That way I could at least test them out to see if they would fit my preference. I'm still debating on the V-modas/M50s while still considering the 580