Der Germane
100+ Head-Fier
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Hi folks.
At the moment I own one pair of beyerdynamic T1, Sennheiser HD800, Sennheiser Orpheus [incl. amplifier] and Stax SR-009 (together with SRM-727 II).
[And some other cheaper mid-fi phones like K701, HD650, DT880, SR325, etc.]
Also I've tried out some orthos like LCD-2 and Hifiman.
All very good headphones, in my opinion.
I listen a lot to classical music and there is something that is probably really strange... at least for me...
First let me tell a short story:
The violins of every orchestra sound different, sometimes only slightly, but they sound different.
You'll often only hear it, if your're used to it.
That's no problem at all, it's more like a feature, since the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra does not sound like the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra, etc.
When it comes to recordings, every recording adds its on characteristics to the sound of the violins.
Deutsche Grammophon recordings sound different to f.e. Decca or Telarc recordings, while there is also a difference between different years.
The 60s recordings of the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra sound different to the recordings that are made today from the same orchestra.
Then there are different recording locations and recording engineers. This all will affect the recording as well.
But that's not complicated enough:
For example:
The violins then simply sound different with every headphone I own.
But now I ask myself: What is the "real" sound of the orchestra like?
Or -at least- what is the real sound of the recording?
Some recordings sound best to me with SR-009, some with HD800, some with HE90 and some others with T1... only paying attention to the sound of the violins.
You easily could add the sound of trumpets, violoncello, etc. to this comparison to get to an even more complicated result... and maybe no final result.
But where or what is the real sound?
Yeah, well, these are strange "problems"... but you can clearly see -by using this example- that there is no "perfect" high-end headphone!
(Or at least it's me who thinks that there isn't such a headphone...)
No, IMHO it does not even come close, as long as nobody knows what the real sound should be.
This all also can be a lot of fun, as you'll listen to a very different presentation using f.e. the HE90 instead of the HD800 while listening to a musical piece.
Those are "high end" phones, and I can see why -compared to other headphones-, but none of the cans has the right to claim that it sound like "the truth/reality".
The "real sound" is only out there when I visit the Berliner Philharmoniker, London Symphony Orchestra, NYPh, Wiener Philharmoniker, Concertgebouw, etc. live on stage.
What do I want to say with this text?:
Well, you might get it, I'm kind of a confused Einstein (my hair at least
) and I'm not really used to write texts in English, but my statement in this point could be the following:
High end headphones are real fun because of their ability to sound so (damn) good and sometimes really seductive, so that you can't stop listening to music with them.
But on the other side, there is a "curse" that you'll never listen to the music as it is or was presented in real life, because it is simply limited and changed/transformed by the recording itself and further more by the headphone used to listen to it.
But if you think that you know headphones that sound (close to) "real", please let me know.
Also let me know what you generally think about the maximum quality sound that you can get out of headphones.
So far... Greetings from Germany!
At the moment I own one pair of beyerdynamic T1, Sennheiser HD800, Sennheiser Orpheus [incl. amplifier] and Stax SR-009 (together with SRM-727 II).
[And some other cheaper mid-fi phones like K701, HD650, DT880, SR325, etc.]
Also I've tried out some orthos like LCD-2 and Hifiman.
All very good headphones, in my opinion.
I listen a lot to classical music and there is something that is probably really strange... at least for me...
First let me tell a short story:
The violins of every orchestra sound different, sometimes only slightly, but they sound different.
You'll often only hear it, if your're used to it.
That's no problem at all, it's more like a feature, since the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra does not sound like the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra, etc.
When it comes to recordings, every recording adds its on characteristics to the sound of the violins.
Deutsche Grammophon recordings sound different to f.e. Decca or Telarc recordings, while there is also a difference between different years.
The 60s recordings of the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra sound different to the recordings that are made today from the same orchestra.
Then there are different recording locations and recording engineers. This all will affect the recording as well.
But that's not complicated enough:
For example:
The violins then simply sound different with every headphone I own.
But now I ask myself: What is the "real" sound of the orchestra like?
Or -at least- what is the real sound of the recording?
Some recordings sound best to me with SR-009, some with HD800, some with HE90 and some others with T1... only paying attention to the sound of the violins.
You easily could add the sound of trumpets, violoncello, etc. to this comparison to get to an even more complicated result... and maybe no final result.
But where or what is the real sound?
Yeah, well, these are strange "problems"... but you can clearly see -by using this example- that there is no "perfect" high-end headphone!
(Or at least it's me who thinks that there isn't such a headphone...)
No, IMHO it does not even come close, as long as nobody knows what the real sound should be.
This all also can be a lot of fun, as you'll listen to a very different presentation using f.e. the HE90 instead of the HD800 while listening to a musical piece.
Those are "high end" phones, and I can see why -compared to other headphones-, but none of the cans has the right to claim that it sound like "the truth/reality".
The "real sound" is only out there when I visit the Berliner Philharmoniker, London Symphony Orchestra, NYPh, Wiener Philharmoniker, Concertgebouw, etc. live on stage.
What do I want to say with this text?:
Well, you might get it, I'm kind of a confused Einstein (my hair at least
High end headphones are real fun because of their ability to sound so (damn) good and sometimes really seductive, so that you can't stop listening to music with them.
But on the other side, there is a "curse" that you'll never listen to the music as it is or was presented in real life, because it is simply limited and changed/transformed by the recording itself and further more by the headphone used to listen to it.
But if you think that you know headphones that sound (close to) "real", please let me know.
Also let me know what you generally think about the maximum quality sound that you can get out of headphones.
So far... Greetings from Germany!