rincewind
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braillediver: The direction some people have taken this thread in was inevitable. My posts in this thread have been very much along the lines of let's wait and see, and ppl were telling me I had too much of a "glass half-full" mentality all things considered. I'm just giving a little information so ppl know WHY I have the views I do.
RE: the "took offence" line. He said that to me in a chat. He said he told elnero. It was common fact.
909: I'm not sure if u were saying I'm tryign to pass blame, or if u were saying Ken is. If you meant me, then that wasn't my intention at all.
And yes, if a manufacturer reacts to threads such as these in the way that Ken did to elnero's, and that's all that was affected his actions (I'm not sure it was, but I couldn't tell you what were the other factors) then it would prove near impossible to deal with them... Give a bad review or express one concerned/negative opinion/concern and all of a sudden they won't contact you any more, or won't do business with you. And I do remember exactly how elnero's thread went. Considering I just said I helped them "sort it out" I thought that much would be obvious! I don't think anything I've said should have annoyed Ken or be read as "ragging" on him, as I've plainly stated many times I thought (and still DO think) Ken is an honest person who can make some great audio products - I just think something crazy is happening in Hong Kong right now, that we don't know about, and maybe Ken doesn't have any control over. What exactly it is, I have NO idea. And as I also said, my opinion / views haven't changed. Do you see me trying to get refunds and get the money back from elnero? No. The ringing is merely me trying to contact him. From the number of calls I (and I've heard others) have made already, I really don't think anyone's in the building. If they were, they'd have gone nuts by now, therefore maybe there is noone in the room to answer it (my conclusion).
I kind of expect that in a few weeks maybe we'll hear that he was in hospital or .. I dunno... something along those lines. But it doesn't explain what Eddy Wu said (that the people in the store he operated out of don't even know who he is), which is why it'd be great to confirm that with 3rd parties.
Taking the discussion offline won't really help as it'll only take one upset person who hasn't read/seen this thread to post a proper (full on assault) rant (not like the posts here so far) and it could have the same negative effect. Only a select few have made stupid suggestions and violence. I've only spoken of trying to get hold of Ken, and trying to substantiate real information from people in Hong Kong who might have seen him recently.
I just had to get what I said off my chest cos it was bugging me with the ppl jumping to strange/unjustified conclusions using IPs and it flies against of all my (fine) experiences with Ken so far. Foremost, I'm just worried about Ken and keen to find out if he's Ok, and I hate to see him look bad from ppl on here jumping up and down from hints and suggestions without many facts.
RE: the "took offence" line. He said that to me in a chat. He said he told elnero. It was common fact.
909: I'm not sure if u were saying I'm tryign to pass blame, or if u were saying Ken is. If you meant me, then that wasn't my intention at all.
And yes, if a manufacturer reacts to threads such as these in the way that Ken did to elnero's, and that's all that was affected his actions (I'm not sure it was, but I couldn't tell you what were the other factors) then it would prove near impossible to deal with them... Give a bad review or express one concerned/negative opinion/concern and all of a sudden they won't contact you any more, or won't do business with you. And I do remember exactly how elnero's thread went. Considering I just said I helped them "sort it out" I thought that much would be obvious! I don't think anything I've said should have annoyed Ken or be read as "ragging" on him, as I've plainly stated many times I thought (and still DO think) Ken is an honest person who can make some great audio products - I just think something crazy is happening in Hong Kong right now, that we don't know about, and maybe Ken doesn't have any control over. What exactly it is, I have NO idea. And as I also said, my opinion / views haven't changed. Do you see me trying to get refunds and get the money back from elnero? No. The ringing is merely me trying to contact him. From the number of calls I (and I've heard others) have made already, I really don't think anyone's in the building. If they were, they'd have gone nuts by now, therefore maybe there is noone in the room to answer it (my conclusion).
I kind of expect that in a few weeks maybe we'll hear that he was in hospital or .. I dunno... something along those lines. But it doesn't explain what Eddy Wu said (that the people in the store he operated out of don't even know who he is), which is why it'd be great to confirm that with 3rd parties.
Taking the discussion offline won't really help as it'll only take one upset person who hasn't read/seen this thread to post a proper (full on assault) rant (not like the posts here so far) and it could have the same negative effect. Only a select few have made stupid suggestions and violence. I've only spoken of trying to get hold of Ken, and trying to substantiate real information from people in Hong Kong who might have seen him recently.
I just had to get what I said off my chest cos it was bugging me with the ppl jumping to strange/unjustified conclusions using IPs and it flies against of all my (fine) experiences with Ken so far. Foremost, I'm just worried about Ken and keen to find out if he's Ok, and I hate to see him look bad from ppl on here jumping up and down from hints and suggestions without many facts.
But I don't know what other tack to take with this, other than the diplomatic.
