[thelostMIDrange]

alright take a break i appreciate all your typing.....now we are getting somewhere though, ancient egypt eh!  how do you think they built those pyramids? slave labour ? what about all that precision? have you seen the quanitity and weight of those blocks !!

 

[thelostMIDrange]

sounds like electricty has got an intimate relationship with magentism doesn't it? or am i misunderstanding?

 

[Jabbah]

sounds like electricty has got an intimate relationship with magentism doesn't it? or am i misunderstanding?

See my post on the end of page 2. The electromagnetic field is one field with which electrons can interact.

 

[thelostMIDrange]

it's getting a bit ahead of me, but....
 
ok so that cation anion thing is how we get the entropy the other fellow mentioned? or at least the potential for electricty?  and is it magnetism that does this work for us so at least we don't need to pay that portion of the light bill? ( we still need to go back and figure out how we get the electriciity into the house and all that 'infrastrucure' as it relates to tesla s work
 
 
is it sort of true that energy precedes electricity? energy being created by natural electromagnetic interaction with potential created by disproportionate distribution of anion/cation?

 

[thelostMIDrange]

that lightening sure seems to be central to this whole thing doesn't it?  ac flows along a wire,,,unequal potential from one place to another etc....and natural forces create this situation in the sky/ground and it discharges?

 

[thelostMIDrange]

 trying to figure out how we get that free energy to start this whole process is a big question...at some point we get something out of nothing right? that is from the sun right?
 
 
and is it somewhat true that ac in a wire is like lightening in the atmosphere? are these both affected by some kind of gravity?

 

[limpidglitch]

  'create a localized decrease in entropy.... increasing it somewhere else. is that the only way, does that require energy? how is that accouplished? is there an infrastrucure or machine needed?

 
It can happen in various ways, but it always require energy.
In the case of photovoltaics the energy is supplied by photons, though they themself are merely energy carriers. In the case of a dynamo it is supplied by whatever is making the wheel/turbine spin around.
 
In the end, any process on earth, bar geothermal and nuclear, can be traced back to the Sun slowly but surely giving up its ghost.

 

[thelostMIDrange]

so the sun is responsible for gravity and magnestism and they are in turn responsible for energy which is then tranformed into electricity?

 

[thelostMIDrange]

what i'm wondering is if ac in a wire is still affected by gravity? and since gravity in terms of how it's distributed and 'working' at any given time is always changing, is it fair to assume this will affect that ac in the wire..and possibly the state of the sun in some small possible way may affect the AC in wires? because the egyptians and every other group of peoples throghout history have spent alot of 'energy' in creating those stone megalyths in a certain arrangement related to the stars that documents the position of the stars at various points in the year and over much longer lengths of time and they may have done so because at certain points in that alignment, the relationship of all these things like gravity magnetism and sun location/strength is what determines all life in the surrounding area, aka volcanoes, earthquakes, et al
 
 
and if they were smart enough to know about all this astronomy, perphaps they also knew how to harness that energy to do work for them. i.e. help lift those gigantic stones
 
 
and we are electromagnetic beings ourselves are we not? and subject to the same changing forces?

 

[Jabbah]

it's getting a bit ahead of me, but....

ok so that cation anion thing is how we get the entropy the other fellow mentioned? or at least the potential for electricty?  and is it magnetism that does this work for us so at least we don't need to pay that portion of the light bill? ( we still need to go back and figure out how we get the electriciity into the house and all that 'infrastrucure' as it relates to tesla s work


is it sort of true that energy precedes electricity? energy being created by natural electromagnetic interaction with potential created by disproportionate distribution of anion/cation?

The ions are a very specific example. To create and separate them requires doing work leading to a decrease in the entropy of the system.

 

[money4me247]

  alright take a break i appreciate all your typing.....now we are getting somewhere though, ancient egypt eh!  how do you think they built those pyramids? slave labour ? what about all that precision? have you seen the quanitity and weight of those blocks !!

massive amounts of slave or paid labor, ramps, sleds, levers, lubrication, and possibly pulleys. there is an internal ramp hypothesis that has been shown to be viable via computer simulations. there is also a controversial hypothesis involving limestone concrete.

 

[limpidglitch]

  so the sun is responsible for gravity and magnestism and they are in turn responsible for energy which is then tranformed into electricity?

 
No, but the Sun can in various ways cause a change in potential gravitational or magnetic energy, which in turn can be used to perform some work.

Gravity is required for water to flow downhill so it can drive a turbine, but it's the release of potential energy, by way of gravity, that does the work, not gravity itself.
The energy it takes to move all that water up the hill (which is provided by the Sun) is the same as the energy released by the water flowing down the hill again
 
Here's a simple equation that holds true as long as you keep reasonably close to the earth's surface: ∆U = mg∆h
 
Spelled in words it says that, given mass (m) and the gravitational acceleration (g) is kept constant, a change in potential energy (∆U) is proportional to a change in height (∆h).

 

[thelostMIDrange]

so you think once the ac is in the wire, that little rubber coating is enough to shield it from all these electromagneticsolar forces? any chance the electricity is still affected by some/all of this?
 
 
 
the pyramid ramp/slave hypothesis, is one explanation, but if it's studied, there's alot of evidence this is impossible considering the quality of the stone work and the sheer size of them. let alone the design and orientation implies a fantastic knowledge base inconsistent with the ascribed low level culture they are commonly described as living in. there's alot of evidence to suggest they used electricity and machines.

 

[limpidglitch]

  massive amounts of slave or paid labor, ramps, sleds, levers, lubrication, and possibly pulleys. there is an internal ramp hypothesis that has been shown to be viable via computer simulations. there is also a controversial hypothesis involving limestone concrete.

 
Last I heard the slave angle was losing some ground.
http://harvardmagazine.com/2003/07/who-built-the-pyramids-html
 
And don't forget bureaucracy.
As much as our elected representatives likes to blame bureaucracy for everything that's wrong with society, the building of the pyramids would have been impossible without the shuffling of a large amount of documents between managers, middle managers, lower middle managers… etc.

 

[thelostMIDrange]

the ramp theory doesn't hold water imo...there's alot of evidence to suggest civilization did not evolve in a straight line from caveman to steve jobs but rather like a sin wav with high tech culture then wiped out and almost start over. due to great floods caused by all these forces we are talking about related to electricity in a wire and alot of that evidence is under the water in lost cities etc, as the water level changes drastically and currently it's quite high.....it's all pretty astounding.