[Sparky191]

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Originally Posted by zip22 the ipod is a UMS device. the stock firmware and itunes make the music files hidden and use a database, which is why you can't drag and drop. the ipod shows up on any OS, which i don't think the vision:m does.

Since all OS'es aren't UMS device compliant (some need a a driver 95/98 for example) how does the iPod do that?

 

[zip22]

i'm sorry, i meant current OS (linux or osx)

 

[Sparky191]

Do you still need either the iPod driver? or to switch to drive mode though?

Personally I think theres needs to be more clarity in what people mean by drag and drop and UMS. Often people assume drag and drop means that you drag tracks in iTunes. Whereas for other people it means UMS & FileTree. Ditto UMS.

iPod 3G (drag and drop & ID3 tags)
iPod 5G (drag and drop UMS for data only & ID3 tags)
Creative Zen Micro (drag and drop UMS for music and data & ID3 tags)
Cowon (drag and drop UMS for music and data & filetree & ID3 tags)

Doesn't help that most reviews/advertisment for none filetree players usually stick "drag and drop" in the blurb as often as they can. Its become meaningless. Likewise UMS if it only supports data. It maybe technically correct but its misleading.

 

[zip22]

i agree it is confusing, but i dont think the creative players are true UMS, they are MTP (microsoft transfer protocal?) which means they only show up in windows. you can designate a partition to be UMS, but it doesn't work for music.

you don't need the ipod driver or to switch to disk mode for osx or linux.

 

[ptaaty]

Someone will need to do a lot of convincing to get me to believe that MTP will interfere at all with rockbox anymore than iTunes or anything else.

This is completely defeatable by firmware. Simply put there is NO issue from what I can see.

Further proof of this iRiver player firmwares supporting either:

http://sourceforge.net/docman/displa...group_id=69923

That said, I look forward to trying a rockbox firmware player sometime, but it needs to be well done and NOT degrade sound quality.

 

[Sparky191]

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Originally Posted by zip22 i agree it is confusing, but i dont think the creative players are true UMS, they are MTP (microsoft transfer protocal?) which means they only show up in windows. you can designate a partition to be UMS, but it doesn't work for music.

Oops yes. MTP only. I forgot since I use MediaMonkey.

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Originally Posted by zip22 you don't need the ipod driver or to switch to disk mode for osx or linux.

But you do for XP? Thats weird...

 

[bangraman]

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Originally Posted by Sweet Spot I'm not as technically inclined as Bangraman,(pie charts/frequency graphs etc..)

You'd be surprised. It's the very last thing I run when looking at a portable, mainly because I'm all too aware that measurements (especially with RMAA) doesn't quantify all you hear in the real world. And I only run it because sometimes it's easier to plaster up a graph than spend ages explaining myself. The ZV:M hasn't been near my test rig yet, and it won't be for another 2-3 weeks.

 

[zip22]

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Originally Posted by Sparky191 But you do for XP? Thats weird...

no, you don't.

 

[Sparky191]

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Originally Posted by zip22 no, you don't.

What? Why did you leave XP out?

As Monty Python said..."...hes making it up as he goes along..."

 

[sitrus_o9]

It's MTP I think... kind of like the Zen MicroPhoto.

 

[sitrus_o9]

By the way, what sound better with no equilizer etc.? The shuffle or ZVM on the same file? Although I'd never pick the shuffle over the ZV:M.