USB Strikes Back! Watch out AOIP - USB/Ethernet Chain beats All (at least for me)
Jan 26, 2017 at 7:39 PM Post #511 of 573
Hi Rb,
thanks for the network cable recommendation, i saw you shared this information already some time ago, so i think my "Audioquest Cinnamon" isnt the best choice between the startechs since it is shielded i think, i found one UTP cable that i can easily order in Germany, do you think this could work?...its called
MeiCord Opal

https://www.akikoaudio.com/en/other-brands/meicord/147-2013-07-05-12-11-53

thanks
That looks like It would do the job. Blue Jean Cables don't ship overseas? Their CAt6a is excellent, each cable they make is individually tested, and they provide a test printout for your cable. Mine tested to 550Mhz Not bad for $30. Sounds great.
 
Jan 27, 2017 at 5:31 AM Post #513 of 573
i meant no hard feelings rb. just my findings. a day later you mention that they have changed the chip from fpga to asic and some have issues.. as i did i. so let's be fair. the starttech is no longer available with fpga except maybe old stock but no idea what you are getting i concur with this guy:http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/vt.mpl?f=pcaudio&m=160276
to each his own and this is fine with me but it was not personaly my cup of tea that is all. again, i apologize for being harsh about it to begin with. i was disappointed it did not work. now, today you release the possible reason why. let';s jsut be fair. perhpas your system is great and i would love it. here, it either failed to work or did not sound as good a straight usb as is confirmed by the other party at the above link. i am sorry for both of it did not work. any improvement is certainly welcome to me. you do not need to just carry a grudge against me because we got off on the wrong foor. regardless of the equipment i extend my sincere apologies to you for being rude in your thread. other than the device issues that is the best i can do to make amends with you. if you just want to hate me so be it. you are doubtful to see me in this thread much if at all anyways. seeing as this did not work for me and i do not wish to spend hours troubleshooting it. i see what you build and it is very nice. i personally prefer plug and play. instant gratification. i feel if i am paying for my audio gear it should function at once and continuously. that is just my opinion. everyone else is certainly welcome to theirs. i have no il intent honestly. i am sorry my original post rubbed you the wrong way however.
 
Jan 27, 2017 at 10:23 AM Post #516 of 573
Thinking about where to go next.  Thinking I have pretty much exhausted all avenues.  Really like the SQ of the SSD that runs the OS powered by an external LPS.  Maybe this is better then running the SSD off a SATA power connection from the MB - even if the server is powered by a LPS.  Why?
 
Well that regulated linear power has to pass through a pretty noisy environment to get to the SSD.  The CPU and other MB chips generate a lot of RFI and EMI on their own.  Not to mention the power draw modulations as the CPU and MB chipset load and unload processes.
 
Besides the LPS-1 SuperCap trial coming next week - I thought about moving the SSD  completely out of the PC server case.  But I need a longer SATA data cable.
 
Anybody have any high quality (not super expensive) SATA III cables they could recommend?
 
Too bad BJC doesn't do a SATA cable.
 
I found these on Ebay - at least they are shielded.
3x 24inch SATA 3.0 III SATA3 SATAiii 6GB/s Hard Drive Data Cable Black Braided $4.5 shipped
https://vod.ebay.com/vod/FetchOrderDetails?ViewPaymentStatus&purchaseOrderId=726151810014
 
There are these discussion threads on CA - some folks report that SATA cables do sound different:
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f8-general-forum/there-better-sounding-sata-cable-18821/
 
PS Also ordered this one:
36inch SATA 3.0 6Gbs cable ,180 to 180deg, UV Blue, metal latch - $7 shipped
http://www.ebay.com/itm/36inch-SATA-3-0-6Gbs-cable-180-to-180deg-UV-Blue-metal-latch-/391473291022?hash=item5b25a05f0e:m:mDx6I6uCq08zbBdW19XJXgg
 
Jan 27, 2017 at 10:38 AM Post #517 of 573
After reading the SATA cable discussion that going long and out of the PC case with the OS SSD may be counterproductive.  As that requires a longer SATA cable.
 
So will try a short one as well:
6inch SATA3.0 6Gb/s Round Cable,180 to 180 deg,UV Blue -$6 shipped
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251288820938
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I believe there is a difference in SQ with SATA cables just the same as USB cables. I have been testing different commonly found SATA cables for SQ. I have a thread going which starts with “Hard Drives make a difference in sound”. The thread evolves to SATA cables. I am waiting for one to come in right now which I hope to test next week. So far the short 6 inch UV blue one sounds the best.
I am interested in Paul Pang SATA cable but considering the price I would like to test one. Plated silver tends to be tricky in my system. Solid silver has a much richer sound and I don’t think he makes a solid silver one. I would still need to test one first considering price.


Hard Drives Make a Difference in Sound

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The short UV SATA cable it the shortest and has the most shielding which makes the cable thicker.




 
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Now that I have been listening to different SATA cables I believe there is noise on the Intel SATA cable. The 6 inch UV blue SATA cable is so much quieter with no lost of details and better 3D.




 
Jan 27, 2017 at 11:00 AM Post #518 of 573
This is an interesting thread on CA:
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f8-general-forum/there-better-sounding-sata-cable-18821/index3.html
 
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Originally Posted by Skeptic
Why not bypass SATA altogether and use a PCIe SSD? (often M.2 form factor)
All the new Z97 motherboards seem to have M.2 connectors on them now, in addition to plenty of PCIe slots.






SATA has an advantage in that you can also use a vastly improved PSU to supply the device ,and also help reduce PSU interaction with other areas, instead of using noisy power from the motherboard.
Of course, if you believe that none of this matters and can't hear the difference, then use a PCIe SSD.




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I can hear SQ differences with SATA devices using improved PSU filtering, as well as the improvement when changing from a long generic SATA cable that is draped over the motherboard, to a 25CM SATA 3 6GBs cable with it's internal 2 x screened cables , instead of 7 wires side by side in the generic SATA cables, although I wouldn't pay 300 Euros for the small possible extra gains from a Paul Pang SATA cable.. Obviously, the designers of the SOtM SATA filter also thought there was a SQ advantage in better power to the SATA device and reduced interaction via the power supply to other areas of the computer.

Alex



 

 
I have had good success with these El Fidelity SATA filters and still use them, in my recent test they do make a difference even with the SSD powered by ext LPS:
 
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Music-Hall-Elfidelity-PC-Filtering-card-SATA-Power-Noise-Filter-purify-PC-HiFi-Hard-disk-Free/32398344719.html
 

 
Jan 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM Post #519 of 573
My Laptop has a M2 SSD ...
I will put some music on it and try it with foobar .
I have a basic foobar installation, do you have some simple recommendations ?
 
 
Anyone knows the new ifi usb defender and silencer ?
 
http://ifi-audio.com/home/products/accessory/
 
I ordered both ... they may arrive tomorrow.
 
Jan 27, 2017 at 11:19 AM Post #521 of 573
That looks like It would do the job. Blue Jean Cables don't ship overseas? Their CAt6a is excellent, each cable they make is individually tested, and they provide a test printout for your cable. Mine tested to 550Mhz Not bad for $30. Sounds great.


May take a long time, i will try the MeiCord opal its also made for audio applications and its U/UTP fully unshielded, (72 EUR for 1m), by the way i opened my REX today, mine has also the two chips inside, one is a Realtek RTL8211EG Gigabit Ethernet Transceiver, the other one a Cypress CYUSB3314-88LTXC USB3.0 hub controller, both with dedicated clocks, both chips running at 3,3V according to the data sheet
 
Jan 27, 2017 at 11:35 AM Post #522 of 573

 
these cards looks interesting too ...
 
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Music-Hall-Elfidelity-Power-purification-PC-HiFi-CPU-Memory-DDR3-2V-Power-Supply-Filter-Free-shipping/32398842378.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000013.8.UP954q&scm=1007.13339.33317.0&pvid=c3274f7a-34e1-4cee-97ee-1b3c0f0ad917&tpp=1

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Music-Hall-Elfidelity-PC-HI-FI-Power-Filter-card-PCI-PCI-E-HiFi-PC-audio-power/32396437952.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000013.2.UP954q&scm=1007.13339.33317.0&pvid=c3274f7a-34e1-4cee-97ee-1b3c0f0ad917&tpp=1
 
Jan 27, 2017 at 11:46 AM Post #523 of 573
Just ordered this one from the UK on Ebay - like $12 USD with shipping
 
https://vod.ebay.com/vod/FetchOrderDetails?ViewPaymentStatus&purchaseOrderId=726179783014
 
From the CA thread:
Ok, now we have got that out of the way. After performing a simple 3 way test of SATA cable vs no SATA cable at all and hearing the obvious benefits of SATA vs no SATA (in my system) I got out of my listening chair and went to my local (Dublin) electronic parts store. There are virtually no physical IT/Electronic stores in Ireland anymore so the few here can charge what they like and I paid an outrageous 12 euros for an obviously heavily screened silver "AKASA" cable. I got the shortest one (45cm). You can get them on Amazon for a lot less, maybe about 5 GBP:​
Physically when you handle them they are clearly much better made than the cheap and nasty red and blue varieties that came with your motherboard. I have no affiliation with this brand. I was just told they are a popular after market brand with the gamers who actually have similar problems to solve as the audophiles (but from a visual rather than an audio perspective).​
I have to say, I was stunned by the difference this outrageously expensive​
color]
5 quid cable made. I have absolutely no explanation at all. This silly old audiophool is just reporting the evidence of his ears.​
1. The immediate effect was that the clear differences between the SATA cable and no SATA cable use cases were gone. And I mean almost completely gone. On balance, I had a slight preference for​
HDD
vs​
NAS
or mSATA. But it was now such a subtle difference that I can see why others might prefer it the other way round. To my ears if you listened hard (and you really have to concentrate), the​
HDD
use case just seemed marginally clearer, less confused, like the lifting of the thinnest of veils.​
2. This is what stunned me. I then swapped the​
USB
cable out of the 700 USD​
SOtM
/Battery combi into one of the m/board ports and I was amazed. The​
SOtM
was still marginally better but it wasn't a lot and again you would really have to concentrate. All I could really hear was a very slight additional "bloom" on the m/board​
USB
port. In direct comparison the​
SOtM
combi therefore sounded slightly more focused and I preferred it. But I have to say that (in my system) a better made and screened 5 quid​
USB
cable gave 98% of the benefits of a 700 dollar​
USB
card.​
 

 
Jan 27, 2017 at 11:48 AM Post #524 of 573
  My Laptop has a M2 SSD ...
I will put some music on it and try it with foobar .
I have a basic foobar installation, do you have some simple recommendations ?
 
 
Anyone knows the new ifi usb defender and silencer ?
 
http://ifi-audio.com/home/products/accessory/
 
I ordered both ... they may arrive tomorrow.


Yes get the free Fidelizer and run Purist mode - see his instructions for optimizing Foobar (RAM disk cache settings, etc,..)
http://www.fidelizer-audio.com
 
Jan 27, 2017 at 11:48 AM Post #525 of 573
  My Laptop has a M2 SSD ...
I will put some music on it and try it with foobar .
I have a basic foobar installation, do you have some simple recommendations ?
 
 
Anyone knows the new ifi usb defender and silencer ?
 
http://ifi-audio.com/home/products/accessory/
 
I ordered both ... they may arrive tomorrow.

I have both, they works good in synergy with iPurifier2 to offer clean power to my Singxer F-1. I power the IDefender with an iPurifier 5v but I'll soon switch to a good LPS.
 
The iSilencer is a USB decrappifier that works at the USB pc side, the iPurifier works at the USB DAC side (at least that's what iFi Audio state if you ask them).
 
(P.S. yes, I know, I already have the X-1 so why I bought also the F-1? Hype I guess.... BTW shipping from shenzen audio from china to italy in 2 working day!! I'm astonished)
 

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