[bazac]

Hey,

Have a question:

Just bought Ultrasone PROline 650, and I plan to buy Emmeline Hornet headphones amplifier.

My question is: Should I buy the Hornet for the 650 or should I buy Ultrasone PROline 750?

Which option sounds better?

HeadRoom gives for:

Ultrasone PROline 650, a Value Rating of 3.5 of 5
http://www.headphone.com/guide/by-ma...roline-650.php

And for Ultrasone PROline 750, a Value Rating of 2.0 of 5
http://www.headphone.com/guide/by-ma...roline-750.php

2.0 ?!!! Wow!

Honestly I would prefer to buy the Ultrasone PROline 750 – and return the 650 – because, if I’m not wrong, the 750 with 40 ohms impedance, doesn’t need an amplifier. Ultrasone 650’s impedance is 75 ohms.

So, the second option is not only cheaper, but also no need the hassle of having an amplifier with you, all the time.

But, obviously I’m interested in sounds quality, so money is not exactly an issue here. Or the hassle.

Oh, I forgot to mention: I use the cans mostly with the Creative Zen Vision M (60 GB) which sounds gorgeous, btw.
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[Trippytiger]

Well, the consensus here among Ultrasone fans is that HeadRoom's ratings of Ultrasone's headphones are basically out to lunch, so don't worry too much about that.

As for the 750 not needing an amplifier because they're low impedance, well, that's simply not correct. While they can be driven to very listenable volumes from just about anything by virtue of this fact, that doesn't mean that they're easy to drive or will sound very good unamplified. If you got them, you'd definitely want to invest in a headphone amp anyways.

Have you given the "There's Something About Ultrasones..." thread over in the headphones forum a very good going over?

 

[slwiser]

They do sound different from other headphones because of the S-Logic design thing. One needs to get used to them and make sure the headphone is properly burned in for a number of hours.

The Proline series is a monitor headphone so be ready to hear details that you would never normally hear. My Proline 2500 is a very special sounding headphone but there is one place and that is the only place where I downgrade them and that is in when the music has musical distortions in it. Those distortions are much clearer than with other headphones and can be disconcerting. Yea, I like Headroom, but this is one place where they are out to lunch. I don't think they gave them the time needed.

 

[bazac]

Trippytiger wrote:
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Have you given the "There's Something About Ultrasones..." thread over in the headphones forum a very good going over?

No, sorry, I didn’t do well my homework, but I will definitely read that thread. Thank you. 174 pages in that thread... Whew! Lots of reading.
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[Trippytiger]

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Originally Posted by bazac /img/forum/go_quote.gif No, sorry, I didn’t do well my homework, but I will definitely read that thread. Thank you. 174 pages in that thread... Whew! Lots of reading. .

Yeah, it's getting a bit crazy at this point. Start at the beginning and skim through as much of it as you can before getting sick of it, and you'll probably find all the most useful information. Searching for specific information would be a good idea, too, rather than trawling through the whole thing to find out what you want to know.

One thing worth noting is that, as far as portable amps go, the Go-Vibe V5(S) is considered to go very well with the 750. It's a fairly inexpensive amp, and the -S version provides socketed op-amps so you can tweak the sound to your liking. Apparently it can deliver a lot of the current that the 750 crave.

 

[benjamind]

Get the 2500 if you prefer open headphones. I've read on the GearSlutz professional audio forums that someone who owned a few Ultrasone models actually preferred the 2500s by far.

I tend to think that closed phones all have some sort of compromise - to different degrees that is, I still think the Ultrasones make very very good closed headphones but I'd be willing to bet the open headphones would be even better.

I'm definately getting the 2500s. Not that I didn't like the 750s but I have a feeling the S-Logic thing would work better in an open design. Maybe...maybe not.

I guess time will tell. I really want to test out a fully burned in 2500 before I plink down all those shiny coins.

Ben

 

[bazac]

Trippytiger:
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One thing worth noting is that, as far as portable amps go, the Go-Vibe V5(S) is considered to go very well with the 750.

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Apparently it can deliver a lot of the current that the 750 crave

Cool, but – remember – I have… 650…?

Thnx for suggesting the Go-Vibe V5(S).

I have few questions:

1. Are V6 better than V5 series?

2. Should I choose low gain or regular gain?

3. What accessories do I need to buy?

In Go-Vibe V5S optional op-amps, they list: AD8620/AD8610 on Brown Dog adapters, Dual AD825/AD825 on Brown Dog adapters, OPA2134/OPA134 DIP8 type. I have no clue what those mean. Do I need any?

Says SpacemanSpiff23 here: http://www4.head-fi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224656 “After buying all the periferals and accessories needed for the V5 I think its going to cost me more than my Headphones did.” Wow!

I see that only the amp Go-Vibe 6 costs $ 99, but with cable, battery and power supply it costs $ 153….

4. The $59US price for V56 includes cable, battery and power supply?

5. Also, V5S = $ 59 vs. Emmeline The Hornet = $350.00; that’s 6 times more. Shouldn’t be a much, MUCH better quality in the Hornets?

If anybody can answer those questions, good. But please, don’t send me to hundred-page threads to find the answers.

Benjamind wrote:

>Get the 2500 if you prefer open headphones.

Sorry, I don’t like open headphones, but thnx anyway.
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[bazac]

Can you people help me?

 

[blessingx]

I've never heard the 650, but in my opinion the 750 needs an amp to shine too. So you don't get out of the amp requirement by moving down to 40 ohms.

As for The Ultrasone tread, I agree, it's so rambling it destroyed any usefulness it contained a long time ago.

Haven't heard the GoVibe amps you mentioned so can't compare. I suspect the Hornet would do well. The 750 sounds great with the C&C Box. The two Ultrasones I've heard (2500 and 750) seem to like current.

 

[Trippytiger]

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Originally Posted by bazac /img/forum/go_quote.gif Trippytiger: Cool, but – remember – I have… 650…? Thnx for suggesting the Go-Vibe V5(S). I have few questions: 1. Are V6 better than V5 series? 2. Should I choose low gain or regular gain? 3. What accessories do I need to buy? In Go-Vibe V5S optional op-amps, they list: AD8620/AD8610 on Brown Dog adapters, Dual AD825/AD825 on Brown Dog adapters, OPA2134/OPA134 DIP8 type. I have no clue what those mean. Do I need any? Says SpacemanSpiff23 here: http://www4.head-fi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224656 “After buying all the periferals and accessories needed for the V5 I think its going to cost me more than my Headphones did.” Wow! I see that only the amp Go-Vibe 6 costs $ 99, but with cable, battery and power supply it costs $ 153…. 4. The $59US price for V56 includes cable, battery and power supply? 5. Also, V5S = $ 59 vs. Emmeline The Hornet = $350.00; that’s 6 times more. Shouldn’t be a much, MUCH better quality in the Hornets? If anybody can answer those questions, good. But please, don’t send me to hundred-page threads to find the answers. Benjamind wrote: >Get the 2500 if you prefer open headphones. Sorry, I don’t like open headphones, but thnx anyway. .

Well, my intent in suggesting the Go-Vibe was to give you an inexpensive amp option to pair with the 750 if you chose to go that route. I have no idea how it would sound when paired with the 650, and I can't make any comment on the Hornet either. I've never heard either one.

As far as the GoVibe V5/V5S goes, all you really need is the amp itself, which goes for $45/$48 USD respectively (I'm not sure where you got $59 USD from). It's supposed to sound much better with the 750 when run off of the 24V Elpac power supply, which goes for $32 USD from Norm.

The op-amp options on the website are there for the V5S, which has socketed op-amps to allow you to tweak the sound of the amp by swapping in new op-amp chips. It comes with LM6171/LM6172 op-amps to begin with. I actually asked Norm yesterday if he had any thoughts as to what op-amps would be able to supply the most current for low-impedance headphones, and he wrote back to tell me that, in his experience, the stock ones were best suited for that. Dexdexter here in the forums feels that the 750 sound best with the AD8620/AD8610 combination, though.

Of course, as with any amp, you'll also need an interconnect to connect it to your source. Norm doesn't include one with the Go-Vibe.

By the way, what is your source? I think that's an important question that we should have asked before, because it could be a big factor in whether upgrading to the 750 would be worthwhile. It's a fairly unforgiving headphone, so if your source or source material isn't quite up to snuff, the 650 with its gold plated drivers might be best.

 

[bazac]

Blessingx, thnx for your post.

Trippytiger wrote:

>As far as the GoVibe V5/V5S goes, all you really need is the amp itself, which goes for $45/$48 USD respectively (I'm not sure where you got $59 USD from).

From Norm’s Website: http://www.go-vibe-headphoneamp.com/ (including shipping!)

>By the way, what is your source?

I use a Creative Zen Vision M, with music ripped from my CDs at 192 Kbps. Mostly 80s electronica. I plan to rip some MP3s from records.

>[750] it's a fairly unforgiving headphone

Same thing with 650, IMO.

I have some modest MP3s and I can hear CLEARLY all those distortions.

Much clear than with my old:

Sony MDR-V900 Monitor Series Headphones
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...lance&n=172282

Actually the Ultrasone sounds waaaaaay better than the Sony. There are so many frequencies that I hear in 650 that I never heard in V900. And less distortions too.

>…so if your source or source material isn't quite up to snuff, the 650 with its gold plated drivers might be best.

My material is not what I would like, so 650 probably – in my case - are better than 750.

Thnx Trippytiger.
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[Sovkiller]

If you are going to spend in a portable and the amp needs to be protable, or transportable, the LISA III will be the optimal choice for a transportable amp till now, a killer 18volts powered amp, it compete in a different league of amps almost at the level of very good home amps...it is pricey but if you are willing to drop 350 in a portable, honestly I rather spend a little more and get absolutelly the best I could posibly get...it is also big not so portable OK...

About the Ultrasones the PROLines 750/2500 are the best headphones in that line, before the Edition 9, they share the same drivers titanium vaporized...

 

[bazac]

Sovkiller wrote:
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LISA III will be the optimal choice for a transportable amp till now…..

Looks like Lisa III Headphone Amplifier is currently unavailable.
http://www.triadaudio.net/Products.html
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it is pricey but if you are willing to drop 350 in a portable, honestly I rather spend a little more

OK, how much is it? And where can I buy it?
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About the Ultrasones the PROLines 750/2500 are the best headphones in that line...

Is 750... MUCH... better than 650? In which sense?
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[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by bazac /img/forum/go_quote.gif Sovkiller wrote: Looks like Lisa III Headphone Amplifier is currently unavailable. http://www.triadaudio.net/Products.html OK, how much is it? And where can I buy it? Is 750... MUCH... better than 650? In which sense? .

For the LISA-III amp, just email PPL, the designer, he is a active member of our forum, he must know for sure...

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=241401


About the Ultrasones you may have to read a little bit to from an opinion, unless you hear them by yourself...LOL...

IMO yes it is, but you are the one who will buy it, so you have to listen them first, as a reference you can use one of big very informative and extensive threads, about the Ultrasones heapdhones....time for a re-search...

There are a few that I recall...I just posted, but you have to read them yourself...OK?

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=216399

175 pages thread about Ultrasone heapdhones in general, a must for an Ultrasonista:

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=207164

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=222364

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=213953

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showth...rasone+reviews

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showth...rasone+reviews

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showth...rasone+reviews



etc....etc....etc....

 

[2.2gotboost]

I own the 750's and really like them.