KimLaroux
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Uhm honestly, the first time I tried the circuit I used cheap 12AX7 and It worked fine. The problem only shows up with the 12AU7.
Uhm honestly, the first time I tried the circuit I used cheap 12AX7 and It worked fine. The problem only shows up with the 12AU7.
I noticed with the 12AX7 it shows gain. With the 12AU7, it does not.
Well, I'm just looking at this in a very superficial manner, I didn't intend to get into a slog of work analyzing the circuit, or I'd have figured the DC conditions for the CCS instead of just letting the sim deal with it. There's no doubt that in my sim the CCS is not functioning as it should, but I just looked at the 25V that it's connected to and thought, 'Oh, I can't be bothered figuring that out'. The milliamp of current that is running through the tubes, is, however, entirely sufficient to see some gain with a 7k5 load on a 12AX7. You'd normally expect to see a much bigger resistance there with a 12AX7 though...
Typically no gain shows a tube that is cut off (or saturated), and the bias conditions from one tube to another might mean that that is the case with the 12AU7. That's why I suggested that Kim should run the sim himself, because in my experience it's a lot more revealing than drawing load lines on a graph, as long as the sim models are not too far out. I didn't realise that he doesn't have a Windoze box, but like you say, there's always Wine. I've used these models quite a bit and I think they're reasonably trustworthy if used with discretion. You can turn the voltage up and up and they won't blow up, but, like I say, you have to exercise a bit of discretion.
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The SOHA doesn't have a voltage source there... unless I'm missing something. The cathodes DO sit at their expected voltage, after all.
I'm thinking a higher value plate resistor would improve PSRR, but then it would either drop too much voltage and/or limit the amount of current I can push trough the tube. My HV is only 160V after all. Any recommendations on what would be a better value?
The SOHA has a resistor bypassed with a cap which is conventional for a *common cathode* tube stage.
The SOHA II uses a *long tail pair* tube stage which (basically) requires a CCS between the cathodes and ground.
since your design is screwed up (it happens) you have 2 choices to fix it.
First is to accept that you have a common cathode and should pick between a resistor, resistor & cap, or an active voltage source to replace the CCS.
The second (and my personal preference) is to keep going down the route of trying for a long-tail-pair front end. There are many compelling advantages to the LTP, and you already have all of the expensive parts accounted for... so change what you have now into this.
Now I'm curious about using a linear reg on the tail... never seen that done, wonder why?
I'm starting to understand now... I think.
As for the long tail pair, is not the goal of such circuits to provide both an inverting and non-inverting output? I don't need those two signals for my output stage. So how would such a topology provide any benefits in my case?
Well, I ordered some BC560C too in my last Digikey shipment, so maybe I should just go ahead and build the rest of the SOHA II circuit... the current mirror.
But since I'm running from 160 V and not 75 V, is there anything I should tweak? I'll probably be running the tubes much hotter than the SOHA II so I'm guessing some change in resistor value is necessary. I'm just not sure how to do the math with the current mirror up there.
Thanks everybody.
I'm not certain how a negative rail improves things... and if it's necessary in this design. I see it as relative voltage differences. In the SOHA II, I see the tail CCS is connected to - 15 V and then the grids are referenced to ground... so it's as if the grids are some 15 volts higher than the bottom end of the tail CCS. Is this necessary in order for the whole design to work? Can't I just raise the voltage on the second triode's grid instead?
But lemme read the tubecad article, it seems to explain all that...