Originally Posted by Dr.Sade
QUOTE=drarthurwells
"No mystery after all."
Your masterpiece of conciseness makes the "Universe in a Nutshell" (Hawking) look like the " Remembrance of Things Past" (Proust).
Unfortunately, you can NEVER convince the Ultimate Solipsist (Me) that this Mind Set/Paradigm isn't just another illusion created by My Mind. The mystery of My Self Consciousness will ALWAYS remain a mystery. My Mind PRECEDES the concepts of "brain", "the scientific method", "an infinity of infinities", and "cosmic consciousness". From My Point of View this is just another complicated mathematical model for My amusement. There might always be something that is, beyond Myself, beyond My current limited abilities to experience, UNKNOWABLE, THE VOID, a mystery, or just the hidden part of My Mind.
[The 6th character from the "6 Characters in Search of an Author" (Pirandello) told me that I'm the hidden 8th character. I've never met the 7th character. On second thought maybe I have.]
The Julian Barbour model of physics claims that the common view of time, motion, and change (that they are connected points on a continuous line) is an illusion; continuous flux/flow is an illusion. He replaces this common view with discrete discontinuous structures called "time capsules". These independent "time capsule" structures remain independent in stasis. Perhaps probability issues are what bundles these otherwise disparate "time capsules" into a coherent whole (world view)? Perhaps, a mind/"brain" perceives only the bundles of "time capsules" it can perceive because this mind/"brain" and these "time capsules" "resonate" together or fit together like pieces in a jigsaw puzzle?
Your model of physics has similarities to his model (no need for "repositioning material events in space" in his model though). In the Barbour model a "mind/'brain'/observer" + the discrete bundles of "time capsules" TOGETHER replace your "repositioning of material events in space". The Ultimate Mind in both models seems to be doing the blinking.
As you imply, the objects we see on a movie screen are't really moving; they aren't even really objects.
For me the illusion of motion and objects in a 3D space-time that is created by a pixelated stereoscopic LCD screen is even more apt. The illusion is created by turning on and off bundles of pixels, but in a non-random way. The chosen sequence of pixelated on/off states exploits the specific way our brain organizes and interpretes patterns of visual stimuli.
Hmmm, what may look like a random noisy pixelated image to us might look like a centerfold to some alien.
Hmmm, the discovery of monster (oscillating, fractal) functions started the whole paradigm shift from describing calculus (math of change) in "continuous space/time" terms to "discrete sets and numerical completeness" terms. Monster functions violate space/time continuity; they describe some "oscillating states". [f(x) = sin (1/x); f(x) = x sin (1/x)].
In fact, cryptography (like the pixelated LCD) also exploits the way our brains process stimuli/information. What looks offhand like noisy gibberish is really a meaningful message hiding behind innumerable layers of linked disinformation transformations that is based on the way our brain processes language.
Hmmm, to an alien, one of the disinformation layers by chance might carry a meaningful (to the alien) message which says "would you stop with the crop circles and cattle mutilations, Marvin!"
Hmmm, perhaps any given noise is meaningful/coherent to some existing or potentially existing "brain". What looks random/disorganized/chaotic to us may look organized to "them."
Pure absolute chaos/noise implies it is not possible for any conceivable mind/brain even in principle to perceive order.
What IS the relation of Chaos to Order, Reality to Illusion, Relative to Absolute, Subjective to Objective, Mind to Matter/Brain/Body, the Self, the Soul?
If everything is relative and nothing is absolute then isn't everything an illusion?
Every successive model of physics has, so far, pointed to the illusions of the previous physics model.
Hmmm, the trend is an ever expanding sequence of nested illusions (virtual realities).
This could be the basis for a new Information Theory model called "The Big Bang of BS".
Julian Barbour calls his model of physics "Platonia" which is reminiscent of Plato's theory that "IDEAS" are real and everything else is a copy of an IDEA. Today we would call these "copies" Virtual Realities. With today's technology in mind perhaps Julian Barbour should have called his physics model "Pixaria".
Hmmm, in what level of "virtual reality" are "we" when we dream, lucid dream, meditate, or are on drugs?
Hmmm, whatever hypnosis is, it seems to be the cheapest most direct way of creating virtual realities.
Hmmm, role playing games might be the second cheapest way of creating virtual realities.
But, come to think of it, as soon as I have a conscious thought via language, symbols, or pictures I have created an intellectual virtual reality. Besides abstract concepts, the two other building blocks of virtual reality are sensations and emotions. All we can consciously experience reduces to three qualities (Qualia?): sensations, emotions, and concepts.
Imagine a Mind that can experience more than our 3 "qualias" (sensations, emotions, concepts). What if there was an infinity of infinities of "qualias"?
Perhaps "all" the "time capsule" bundles in the stasis of Julian Barbour's "Platonia" can be thought of as a vast fixed (infinite?) relational (or object-oriented) database upon which relational queries are made by a mind/brain? This reminds me of the artificial intellegence computer programming language called PROLOG. Perhaps a PROLOG (relational) or c++ (object-oriented) model of "Platonia" could be written?
Maybe each "blink" of the "Ultimate Mind" is a relational query on the "Ultimate Database" (the Ultimate Mind itself)? Maybe omniscience can be defined as all possible "simultaneous" relational queries per blink? But how is it possible for the Ultimate Omniscient Mind to know THE UNKNOWABLE?
Is "The Universe" a futile attempt to answer the question, "What is THE UNKNOWABLE?
By maximizing the diversity of the universe, you know what THE UNKNOWABLE isn't. THE UNKNOWABLE is NOT whatever is known, so you know at least it's not the known universe. It seems to be whatever it is you can't say about it. It's beyond language and conscious experience. But since it's beyond linguistic descriptions you can't even say that about it. You can't even call it an "it". ... and you certanly can't call "it" "THE UNKNOWABLE". My lips are sealed.
Hmmm, there is a current conflict in the "virtual" world of theoretical physics between physics models that retain the current notions of measurement/prediction and physics models that would either extend the current notions of measurement/prediction or abandon the requirement of measurement/prediction entirely.
For example, those who espouse "remote viewing" would claim a team of expert "remote viewers" can just "remote view" the answer to any question directly. If the universe was "really" static, in stasis (not in flux/changing), then a "remote view" would be like doing a relational query on a static relational database. So there is possibly a connection between Julian Barbour's model of physics ("Platonia") and remote viewing. Maybe the "re-engineered" "quantum consciousness" (see below), the "NEW OMNISCIENT OMNIPOTENT YOU", can "remote view" the answers to all questions without breaking a sweat?
If we "remote viewed" the answer to the the question, "What is the "general transient response" of the SONY SA5000?", what would be the answer? [See previous post on the definition
of "general transient response".]
If we remote viewed the query, "Was the Sony Qualia headphone an outgrowth of the Sony ESP Lab research?", what would be the answer?
This all meshes into the "Quantum Mind" theory of consciousness.
The article below says,
"...literally anything at all can be materialized and brought into being..."
http://www.geocities.com/iona_m/Cosm...onEgineer.html
(Compare to the Krell "Ultimate Headphone" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krell.)
(Compare to the Cult of Cthulhu who say ...
"...in Chaos Magic, it doesn't matter what or who one focuses their energy on. If you create your own "reality", then that is the universe you live in."
"...humanity ... a kind of mistake. An abnormality which has potential (at times), but is mostly worthless and repugnant."
"Our goals are to bring the Old Ones back. To awaken the Ancient Things from outside of space and time. And also to awaken them inside ourselves."
"And eventually, of course, we want to destroy "reality" and take over the world."
"...the Cult of Cthulhu is evil. Why? Because we create our own morality and ethics. We choose for ourselves and do what we must to benefit ourselves. Cultists are admittedly selfish beings, all humans are. The Will To Power is a singular philosophy which drives us."
"...there were certain barriers and obstacles which didn't necessarily have to be there. I've always disliked authority, and I see the generally accepted views of "reality" as the greatest authority of all. And I laugh in its face. It only has power because everyone, more or less, agrees with it."
"...who has not explored the temptation of summoning beings that should never be evoked – those that lie not dead, but sleeping and waiting.")
The article below says,
"...ANY KIND OF FIELD CAN BE TURNED INTO ANY OTHER KIND OF FIELD ...In the new approach, the mind may be considered a special virtual universe, and a thought a virtual object. The virtual state consists of multiply nested levels, each level progressively finer and more subtle. THESE SUBLEVELS ALSO CORRESPOND MATHEMATICALLY TO HIGHER GEOMETRICAL DIMENSIONS...Everything is essentially mind...TIME ITSELF IS NOTHING, TOTALLY NOTHING...IF ANY PART OF THIS VIRTUAL CHAOS CAN BE COLLECTED AND COHERED IN EVEN THE SLIGHTEST DEGREE, ANY AMOUNT OF OBSERVABLE FREE ENERGY CAN BE OBTAINED...IF ANY PART OF THIS VIRTUAL CHAOS CAN BE COLLECTED AND COHERED IN EVEN THE SLIGHTEST DEGREE, ANY AMOUNT OF OBSERVABLE FREE ENERGY CAN BE OBTAINED...THE MORE CHAOTIC THE DISORDER, THE GREATER THE STABILITY OF THE ORDERED PATTERNS THAT EMERGE. TOTAL DISORDER MUST INEVITABLY TURN INTO TOTAL ORDER...The secret of the universe is that it's alive...Thus the entire physical universe is totally outside any of its internal points, and totally inside each internal point as well. THE TOTAL INTERNAL IS IDENTICAL TO THE TOTAL EXTERNAL..."
http://www.geocities.com/iona_m/Cosm...Engineer2.html
The article below says,
"...According to the latest research, the universe is self-generating. It was preceded by and evolved from a quantum fluctuation of spacetime...The vacuum contains virtually infinite energy, even though the exact nature of this all-pervasive force is not known...But, the vacuum is not empty; it is a plenum or fullness. It is the basic, fundamental underlying reality and everything in the universe is its expression..."
http://www.geocities.com/iona_m/Cosm...ology2000.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mind
http://www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/mmq.html#hspace
"Lucifer" in the Sky With Diamonds http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...96287489458266
All this may be leading "us" to the same fate as the "Krell" (a.k.a. ancient Martians?).
The Krell had the "Ultimate Headphone".
See Dr. Morbius wearing the Krell "Ultimate Headphone" in the movie "Forbidden Planet" near the end of the movie.
In this picture, the Krell "Ultimate Headphone" system is on the left (the "head clamps" are disengaged):
http://scidiv.bcc.ctc.edu/LS/SF/Forb...lanet/fp08.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_Planet
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