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Then the real issue may be that some conclusion based on some type of reasoning was simply not welcome at that subforum. Specifically, pointing out what may seem obvious to you may pose a challenge to the moderator. People tasked with monitoring specific behaviors on web forums (speaking from personal experience) tend to fall prey to the fallacy that all disagreeable, possibly inflammatory comments are a form of attention-seeking behavior known as trolling. Of course it could be that the move is simply the result of a more literal reading of your thread, which mirrors the sort of dissection your statements have been exposed to over the past few pages. Then, by all means, sound science forum is a welcome place to try out hypotheses or question the validity of a set of assertions (e.g. 16/44 vs 24/96). If not, well hey, that's the conversation we're having now regardless of the nobility of your intent.
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From I could glean from your comment, you appear to be describing a false dichotomy. How about we introduce a simpler way of looking at things: the most important tool we have is the scientific method, but it's prone to misapplication and misinterpretation.
Your cherry picking skill is peerless.
Here is the problem with this whole sub-forum: The reasoning goes - If I can't calculate, measure, or hear it, it didn't happen. I don't care what you can hear. If none of those 3 facts is true, you are just imaging the sound. It's logic like this that makes this sub-forum a non-starter for me.
Read the OP. You are missing the point. Plus, this thread isn't meant for this forum.
Then the real issue may be that some conclusion based on some type of reasoning was simply not welcome at that subforum. Specifically, pointing out what may seem obvious to you may pose a challenge to the moderator. People tasked with monitoring specific behaviors on web forums (speaking from personal experience) tend to fall prey to the fallacy that all disagreeable, possibly inflammatory comments are a form of attention-seeking behavior known as trolling. Of course it could be that the move is simply the result of a more literal reading of your thread, which mirrors the sort of dissection your statements have been exposed to over the past few pages. Then, by all means, sound science forum is a welcome place to try out hypotheses or question the validity of a set of assertions (e.g. 16/44 vs 24/96). If not, well hey, that's the conversation we're having now regardless of the nobility of your intent.
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haloxt said:
Pio2001, People who say blind tests are totally pointless don't follow science. You make the mistake of accusing subjectivists of refusing DBT, but in reality the exact opposite is true. A real subjectivist knows his limited sensory perception and mental interpretations may distort the truth, and try to experiment still using his sensory but with extra care in accordance to his understanding of his limitations, ie with DBT. It is the objectivist who is most often wrong, as he only goes so far as to say human senses are flawed (and removes it entirely) and relies on measuring tools, and because of his disdain for human perception has the tendency to underestimate the possibility of false positives or false negatives when trying to test subjective experience with objective measuring tools, ie the oh so common flawed DBT. Objectivism, or the belief that everything can be measured with tools instead of sensory interpretation, is a pretty recent philosophical paradigm that was more an assumption than proven fact at the time. I think the assumption is absolutely correct, but not when people ignore the possibility of false interpretation.
In short, no reason to diss subjectivism, a smart man does not close off possible methods of scientific inquiry except as needed.
From I could glean from your comment, you appear to be describing a false dichotomy. How about we introduce a simpler way of looking at things: the most important tool we have is the scientific method, but it's prone to misapplication and misinterpretation.