[BIG POPPA]

The Review should have been done with some homework. Man, he dropped the ball. Anybody knows Ray's gear knows you need to burn it in a few hundred hours to start with. I did at least 800 hours on my Tomahawk 33 days or something like that. Love my Tomahawk. My Uncle Bob is always trying to get to upgrade to something better so I will pass it on to him. Can't blame him. Good stuff.

 

[anadin]

I have just put my Predator up for sale having only had it for less than 2 weeks with about 180 hours burn in.

I simply do not have the patience required to wait for this thing to cook and sound good.

At 180 hours I can already hear lots of improvement but simply don't have the time to wait to finish the job off.

 

[HeadphoneAddict]

That's too bad anadin. With 180 hours on it, you could simply run it for another 2 weeks continuously, and then be done with almost 90% of the sound changes from burn-in.

I didn't like mine a lot in the first 200-250 hours. Once mine had 350 hours I found it pretty enjoyable, and 90% of the changes were done before 600 hours. After 600 hours it is just a little bit of refinement and depth and weight to the sound.

 

[Orcin]

I also found it interesting that the reviewer noticed an anudible improvement from the burn-in.

I was puzzled by his preoccupation with the gain setting. I thought there was no sonic difference between gain settings; that all the gain switch did was to give more control over the volume knob. Maybe I should experiment...

 

[immtbiker]

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Originally Posted by anadin /img/forum/go_quote.gif I have just put my Predator up for sale having only had it for less than 2 weeks with about 180 hours burn in. I simply do not have the patience required to wait for this thing to cook and sound good. At 180 hours I can already hear lots of improvement but simply don't have the time to wait to finish the job off.

This makes no sense at all. This hobby is one that takes lots of patience and time to find the things that you like, and the components that have synergy with the rest of your system.
You say that you see "lots of improvement" but don't have anymore time? That's all we have...time. In the time that it takes you to sell your unit (including putting it up for sale, re-packaging it, and taking it to a shipper, then buying another amp, which will also be cold and new and need some time on it before sounding it's best), you would have finished your burn-in time.
That, and you could have been listening to it all the time during.

I have to believe that you are very young to exhibit this lack of patience and time constraints..

Not saying that all young people lack patience, they don't. It's just that as we get older and more mature, we realize that the world can be enjoyed more when you take everything in and let it simmer for a while.

 

[penger]

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Originally Posted by immtbiker /img/forum/go_quote.gif This makes no sense at all. This hobby is one that takes lots of patience and time to find the things that you like, and the components that have synergy with the rest of your system. You say that you see "lots of improvement" but don't have anymore time? That's all we have...time. In the time that it takes you to sell your unit (including putting it up for sale, re-packaging it, and taking it to a shipper, then buying another amp, which will also be cold and new and need some time on it before sounding it's best), you would have finished your burn-in time. That, and you could have been listening to it all the time during. I have to believe that you are very young to exhibit this lack of patience and time constraints.. Not saying that all young people lack patience, they don't. It's just that as we get older and more mature, we realize that the world can be enjoyed more when you take everything in and let it simmer for a while.

x2 The journey is where a lot of the fun is!

 

[jamato8]

I have stated this before but I enjoyed the journey with the Predator. It was like watching a child grow but I didn't have to change any diapers. Well the one constant in life is change so maybe there wasn't enough, change. :^)

 

[boodi]

Quote:

Originally Posted by immtbiker /img/forum/go_quote.gif I have to believe that you are very young to exhibit this lack of patience and time constraints.. Not saying that all young people lack patience, they don't. It's just that as we get older and more mature, we realize that the world can be enjoyed more when you take everything in and let it simmer for a while.

I'm not that young

but surely me too I'd like to pay for cooked biscuits and cakes

make no lie here

I see and feel the point , same same way

and be sure , completely , I've grown & growl up to be about the music only -not the gears

( btw I'm a anadin' predator contender

don't tell around )

 

[Rico67]

Mine have 600 hours now, and i'm sure it worth the job to obtain mature amp, so i continue until 1400 hours.
i have soon an experience with my hornet (800 hours before obtain great result )
But, I understand anadin, burn in time is very long and if you don't really believe in improvement, you can't have the patience of waiting more time.
I think a lot of people 'll be in the same case, and there'll be some predators on the sale forum next time.
(just because out of box...)

 

[immtbiker]

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Originally Posted by Rico67 /img/forum/go_quote.gif But, I understand anadin, burn in time is very long and if you don't really believe in improvement, you can't have the patience of waiting more time.

I cannot fault a person for their beliefs (whether or not they believe in burn-in).
However, anadin did state that there was noticeable improvement after so many hours, which justifies the warm-up time.

 

[Rico67]

Yes, but honestely, improvement before 200 hours aren't important with this amp.
if the sound of my predator was the same as 200 hours, i sold it soon.

 

[Akabeth]

I wonder if it's my Ed9 or the Predator that's doing most work here...

I'm at mid 300 hours with the Ed9 and a bit more with the Predator. Right now, whatever I listen to just feels a lot more "defined".
- The bloated-ish low end has tightened up considerably while preserving the gobs of bass the Ed9's have always had.. Me = bass head so I love that

- Decay of snares/drums, bass guitar, even the highs are all more apparent now, doesn't get sucked to the background as much as I used to hear them a hundred or so hours ago. I can use a bit more improvement here

Looking forward for upcoming changes

 

[raffy]

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Originally Posted by Akabeth /img/forum/go_quote.gif I wonder if it's my Ed9 or the Predator that's doing most work here... I'm at mid 300 hours with the Ed9 and a bit more with the Predator. Right now, whatever I listen to just feels a lot more "defined". - The bloated-ish low end has tightened up considerably while preserving the gobs of bass the Ed9's have always had.. Me = bass head so I love that - Decay of snares/drums, bass guitar, even the highs are all more apparent now, doesn't get sucked to the background as much as I used to hear them a hundred or so hours ago. I can use a bit more improvement here Looking forward for upcoming changes

Akabeth,
I too love my AJO780J thru my 300-hour Predator! Have you tried one? I wonder how it is compared to the Ed9? Some say it's 85-90% of the Ed9 but I've never tried the Ed9s.

 

[Akabeth]

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Originally Posted by raffy /img/forum/go_quote.gif Akabeth, I too love my AJO780J thru my 300-hour Predator! Have you tried one? I wonder how it is compared to the Ed9? Some say it's 85-90% of the Ed9 but I've never tried the Ed9s.

I'm happy for you

Since this is not an Ultrasone thread... If I can summarize the Ed9's after hearing ALL of the Ultrasone headphones except for those funky looking iCans: the "Edition" series have some strange refinement over the 780's, 750's that I just can't explain. There are lots of threads about the Edition 9's that will help you connect the dots.

My Edition 9's are not stock, Ken modified mine just yours. I wrote a quick thread about this versus an Edition 7 (yup). Portable Showdown: Ultrasone Edition 7 vs ALO Edition 9 [Impressions] Guess which one the other guy liked better

 

[deadfolk]

One of the reasons I have gone with the Predator is BECAUSE of the burn-in time!

Having read many accounts of this journey, I am really looking forward to what seems like an enjoyable (and probably educational to a non-audiophile like me) experience.

My Predator should be winging its way to me as we speak...