[TSAVJason]

I would buy another headphone over a cable. I made that mistake on my utopia thinking a $500 cable would make me hear things better haha never AGAIN.

Maybe your choice of cable sucked. There are companies out there that sell cheesy cables. ......just in case you weren't aware of this tid bit of info

 

[Kukua]

Maybe your choice of cable sucked. There are companies out there that sell cheesy cables. ......just in case you weren't aware of this tid bit of info

please states some names if you may.....

 

[TSAVJason]

please states some names if you may.....

If you're asking me to name the cheesey products ....you know as a dealer I can't comment on what I don't sell and we refuse to sell cheesey stuff. It really wouldn't be appropriate to slam publicly a brand here anyway. Anyone can call us to see if we have test data on wires you may be curious about.

 

[Kukua]

If you're asking me to name the cheesey products ....you know as a dealer I can't comment on what I don't sell and we refuse to sell cheesey stuff. It really wouldn't be appropriate to slam publicly a brand here anyway. Anyone can call us to see if we have test data on wires you may be curious about.

it'll also nice to protect community members as i am sure you'll agree with me or do uou?

 

[BunnyNamedCraig]

That's so bitchen! Mine reads Sony no Bologna

Haha

 

[PeteSTRADAMUS]

I feel there is another fight brewing at a Head-Fi forum near us haha. How about we all go get some drinks and agree to disagree that we may have fake Sony's. Because Sony has been taken over by Aliens.

 

[BunnyNamedCraig]

This has truly been one of my favorite threads.... I am glad that we can all laugh

 

[TSAVJason]

it'll also nice to protect community members as i am sure you'll agree with me or do uou?

I try to protect you guys when I can but some of you here would rather live in an alt reality. Im the only dealer here that provides information to other dealers for access and I'm the only dealer here that tries to provide up and down sides to certain kinds of purchases. I understand when people don't like what I say about things but I put it out there for your review and to enhance your knowledge of how things work but never insist you do it my way or from my store. I'd say that is doing my part to help the community as much as I can.

 

[Rchandra]

Oh i have another one i have 2 pairs the international version has better treble extention and the us version has better bass LMAO.

 

[canali]

Hi, dnnaudio. I probably overdid it on the rhetoric by saying I had a little bit of a "buyer's remorse." To ground it in context, I'd been deliberating between Z1R and Utopia for weeks. But given that I was going to use the cans more in the office, I went with the closed cans and thought I could live with losing a bit of treble finesse and detail. But after I got the Z1Rs, though I greatly loved the warmth, I couldn't stop thinking about the finesse and transparency of sonic detail that I'd heard via Utopias and felt a pang of "buyer's remorse" whether I shouldn't have gone with the alternative. (This said, I do think even in stock form Z1R does certain things much better than Utopias, but more on that later).

With the Wireworld NPE swapped in, that "remorse" just vanished. I won't get into more details before I listen more and let novelty factor wear out, but that is exactly how it is for me now. If someone were to offer an even trade between my Z1R and his/her Utopias, I would now hold onto mine knowing that there's much more to these Z1Rs, and I'd have "remorse" the other way around!

In terms of warmth and "natural tuning," you bring up an excellent point. I'll corroborate further here but I want to say unequivocally there was no warmth lost. The tonality and gestalt we all love about Z1R are retained. Just initially, I was overwhelmed by the sheer amount of extra detail retrieval. Pianist Piotr Anderszewski has a new recording out and I could hear him mumbling phrases to himself while playing the Schumann Fantasy much clearer, which was unnerving. And because I was picking up so much details, when I was listening to a Royksopp or Aphex Twin track, I was noticing a lot of sonic artifact I hadn't noted before.

On tonality, if I can make a ham-fisted analogy: if the Utopias were a piano, I'd say they're a Fazioli or a NY Steinway - brilliant sounding, impeccably designed, de facto top of the class in sound. But I'm by nature more drawn to a Bechstein or an older Hamburg Steinway - darker, more brooding in the bass, mellow in the midband, a bell-like singing treble - Z1Rs remind me of this sound signature, as generalized and trite as I make the analogy. The Wireworld NPE doesn't make the Bechstein a Fazioli. Rather, it's more akin to trading your baby grand Bechstein to a 10-foot concert grand Bechstein. Same sound signature. You just hear a LOT more, with better control, resolution. And the treble now sings with a purer, less restrained voice.

 
 
 
please do keep us abreast of any developments with the cable
 
....i'm about to swallow hard--like REAL hard given the most i've paid
 for cans is Cdn $400 for some senn 650s--and get a pair of these Sonys.(gulp!)..and like many have to drink some
heavy duty mind altering koolaid knowing my wallet (but not my waist

) is going to get thinner yet again if I go
down the cable wormhole into the Twilight Zone...by how much is the question.
 

 

 

[Fifty five]

My Z1R is not fake.
 
I'm fake one.
I'm not human at all.

 

[Kukua]

Oh i have another one i have 2 pairs the international version has better treble extention and the us version has better bass LMAO.

i guess theyre tuned differently

 

[Fifty five]

Originally Posted by Rchandra 

Oh i have another one i have 2 pairs the international version has better treble extention and the us version has better bass LMAO.
 
 
 
That interesting. what S/N of unit that have better treble extention?

 

[TSAVJason]

Guys, while it's been interesting so far you gotta stop or I'll bust a gut.

 

[Muvieguy]

I must agree with Jason some cable are just cheaply made and make no difference or can make a headphone worse. However cables can in my opinion make a very large difference but you really need to do your research to find the right one. I have many very high dollar cables and some cheap and believe me there is a difference i will not just spend my money on some placebo hoping. The cable is the bridge between your headphones and amp so in my opinion you need a solid bridge so you are able to get From one side to the other without any issues.