bigshot
Headphoneus Supremus
I'm sorry mbriant, but you've totally missed the source of the problem with these troublesome threads. It has nothing to do with either opinion. It has nothing to do with science. It has nothing to do with disagreement. It's all about respect.
Some people can't accept disagreement on certain issues without resorting to name calling and insults. If the moderators simply dealt with the five or six posters who insist on dragging every thread they don't agree with down in flames, there wouldn't be any problem with people respectfully disagreeing. The big problem for you is, these people are not objectivists. They're the teenage kids who want to "win" the argument at all costs without having to support their points with facts. Instead of backing up what they say, they resort to insults and more insults. By the time the moderators step in, they've whipped everything up into a froth and all that can be done is to lock the thread.
Adults need to be able to accept respectful dissenting opinion. If they can't, then they shouldn't be participating in a discussion forum. They should post rants to a blog with comments turned off. All opinions are not created equal. Some opinions can be backed up with supporting arguments, some can't. Let them rise and fall on their own merits.
I'm happy to discuss placebo in the objectivist forum. But I don't discuss placebo very much. Usually I'm discussing measurable specs and audibility thresholds, which under any definition of the group falls in the main forum. I don't think that I will be spending very much time with serious discussion in the new forum, and with that flippant description of the forum in the menu, I doubt that anyone else will. You're setting up a "ghost town" forum that will only attract pointless posts. Nothing will change except that you now will have flaming going on in two forums, not just one.
I'm guessing that the reason that it's taken so long for the forum to be opened is that you are waiting for a problem thread to move there to inaugurate it. It's hard to find a clear example of the fault of the objectivist posters, isn't it?
See ya
Steve
Some people can't accept disagreement on certain issues without resorting to name calling and insults. If the moderators simply dealt with the five or six posters who insist on dragging every thread they don't agree with down in flames, there wouldn't be any problem with people respectfully disagreeing. The big problem for you is, these people are not objectivists. They're the teenage kids who want to "win" the argument at all costs without having to support their points with facts. Instead of backing up what they say, they resort to insults and more insults. By the time the moderators step in, they've whipped everything up into a froth and all that can be done is to lock the thread.
Adults need to be able to accept respectful dissenting opinion. If they can't, then they shouldn't be participating in a discussion forum. They should post rants to a blog with comments turned off. All opinions are not created equal. Some opinions can be backed up with supporting arguments, some can't. Let them rise and fall on their own merits.
I'm happy to discuss placebo in the objectivist forum. But I don't discuss placebo very much. Usually I'm discussing measurable specs and audibility thresholds, which under any definition of the group falls in the main forum. I don't think that I will be spending very much time with serious discussion in the new forum, and with that flippant description of the forum in the menu, I doubt that anyone else will. You're setting up a "ghost town" forum that will only attract pointless posts. Nothing will change except that you now will have flaming going on in two forums, not just one.
I'm guessing that the reason that it's taken so long for the forum to be opened is that you are waiting for a problem thread to move there to inaugurate it. It's hard to find a clear example of the fault of the objectivist posters, isn't it?
See ya
Steve