The NIKON Thread (Talk About Nikon Stuff here)
May 9, 2008 at 8:21 PM Post #1,232 of 5,895
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Originally Posted by Edwood /img/forum/go_quote.gif

Anyone want to buy my Nikon AF-S 18-200mm VR lens?
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-Ed



Do you like that lens, Ed?
 
May 9, 2008 at 8:28 PM Post #1,233 of 5,895
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Originally Posted by The Monkey /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Do you like that lens, Ed?


Love it, very fast and accurate AF, excellent for outdoors shooting, but I shoot mostly indoors in low light, so it's too slow for me. I need at least f/2.8, and I mostly shoot f/2 with primes.

That I just love the corner to corner sharpness of primes, and the ability to have a very nice bokeh with the more wide open apetures.

But of course that means I'll have to carry around a lot of lenses. As handy as it is to carry only one lens (the 18-200mm VR), I don't really take my D80 around with me everywhere I go.

-Ed
 
May 9, 2008 at 8:37 PM Post #1,234 of 5,895
One thing you will find shooting primes is that you do not necessarily need tons of different focal lengths. I shoot a lot of film, 90% of it on manual focus, prime lens-based systems like Leica M or medium format cameras. Using the Leica M, I generally shoot with a 2 or 3 lens kit...a 35/1.4, 75/1.4...if I need another lens, it is something between 18-25mm. To be honest, I also shoot with just a 35/1.4...you can do a lot with it, making something look wide, or close. Primes are very versatile if it is a good lens of a moderate focal length...the rest you can do with your feet and on the strength of your composition.
For example, these are all 35mm shots:
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May 9, 2008 at 9:54 PM Post #1,236 of 5,895
Thanks Ed. Actually, looking at that last one, it was probably with a 25mm, not a 35mm...too much wide angle-ishness in the corners. It is a shame that prime lenses are not as popular with the manufacturers these days...they are usually smaller, lighter, faster and better in every way than the zooms. Not always, but often. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate zooms -- I use the 24-70 on the D3 and it is great, but coming from primes, f/2.8 is SLOW, there is also much more distortion than with good primes. And it is very large and heavy. But for quick reaction, events, and times when it is not possible to change lenses, it can't be beat.
 
May 10, 2008 at 4:13 PM Post #1,237 of 5,895
Stuart

I am intrigued with the Leica mystic and was wondering how you would compare the M8 with current crop of top DSLRs like the Nikon D3 strictly in terms of image quality, as opposed to functionality.

Thanks

Tuarreg
 
May 10, 2008 at 5:05 PM Post #1,238 of 5,895
Tuarreg -- I have not really had the D3 for that long, so I cannot give you a complete comparison, but I would say that at base ISO, the image quality is relative to the lens you are using, rather than the camera. The difference between 10mp 1.3 crop and 12mp full frame is not really significant in terms of resolution, but it does make a big difference in noise. I find that at ISO 160 (the M8's base) and 320, the M8 will generally take equal or better images to the D3. at 640 and above, the D3 is way ahead. The D3 at 3200 is probably close to the M8 at 640.

All that said, in terms of use in normal lighting conditions, it is the lenses that determine the image quality, and 90% of the Leica lenses are better than the Nikon lenses. This is what you are paying for in the M8 -- the ability to use the Leica lenses. If you could bolt Leica lenses on the D3 (even the Leica R lenses), then it would be a different story.

But for the most part, Leica primes are way ahead of the Nikon lenses. The exceptions would be the 14-24 and the 24-70, but even here, the Leica lenses are ahead -- particularly in speed, performance wide open, lack of distortion and size.

For me, the D3 is about getting the job done. It does this unbelievably well. Point it at something, press a button, and you will get a good photo. It is not the sort of thing I carry around with me unless I have a specific reason to...the M8 and a single lens is a lightweight, small kit that can slip in a small bag or even a trench coat pocket if you have a small enough lens. The D3 (or the 1DsMkIII) is a tool for getting work done. It is brilliant at it. I am not saying it can't do "fine art" or street photography or whatever else -- it is just not something you can have with you all the time without a particular reason -- unless you are a masochist. It's like walking around with a KGSS strapped to your back and Omega II's in order to listen to your iPod. The M8 is more like RS-1's unamped into it. They are different -- both are excellent, but in different ways.
 
May 11, 2008 at 1:29 AM Post #1,239 of 5,895
I understand the advantages of not drawing attention to the camera, from being able to catch more candid shots to safety from theft. The less attention the camera draws on itself the better. This brings me to the Sigma DP1 which I was interested in it for its diminutive size and its intriguing Fovean sensors that some say rival images of the M8 for a fraction of the price. I seriously doubt it, but it seems to be causing a stir. Further down the line in IQ would be the Leica dLux 3 which is also very interesting.

Check out Jim Radcliffe's Leica dlux3 and Sigma dp1 galleries: Leica D-Lux 3 Photography by Jim Radcliffe which just shows you that in the hands of a skilled photographer, anything is possible!

Enjoy!

Tuarreg
 
May 11, 2008 at 1:45 AM Post #1,240 of 5,895
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Originally Posted by Tuarreg /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Check out Jim Radcliffe's Leica dlux3 and Sigma dp1 galleries: Leica D-Lux 3 Photography by Jim Radcliffe which just shows you that in the hands of a skilled photographer, anything is possible!

Enjoy!

Tuarreg



Wow! Just wow! I have the el-cheapo Panasonic version of the DLux-3 and I didn't even think photos of such quality were even possible. If he had said those pictures were taken with a Leica M8 or Nikon D3, I would've still believed him.
 
May 11, 2008 at 3:16 AM Post #1,241 of 5,895
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Originally Posted by milkpowder /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Wow! Just wow! I have the el-cheapo Panasonic version of the DLux-3 and I didn't even think photos of such quality were even possible. If he had said those pictures were taken with a Leica M8 or Nikon D3, I would've still believed him.


Further proving that good pictures come from good photographers; not necessarily good cameras.
 
May 11, 2008 at 3:21 AM Post #1,242 of 5,895
Hey guys - how much do you think a mint condition Nikon 80-200 F/2.8 is worth nowadays on the used market? I have an opportunity to grab the latest 2 ring version for around $800, but am wondering whether or not I should just purchase the lens new for such a low price differential. Obviously, I realize that the push-pull D version is significantly cheaper, but overall I enjoy handling the newer model to a much greater degree. Basically, I'm wondering whether I should jump on this "deal," or wait for a more reasonably priced model to show up on E-bay.
 
May 11, 2008 at 4:17 AM Post #1,243 of 5,895
Definitely not at 800; the warranty's more than worth the price difference. I usually see them go for about 700 on eBay, which is still less difference from new than what I'd personally want, but it's incredibly rare to ever see a 2-ring go lower.
 
May 11, 2008 at 4:30 AM Post #1,244 of 5,895
Really wish Nikon would do a modern remake of their legendary 28mm f/1.4

Prices on eBay are just stupid. I would really be happy if they made a 35mm f/1.4 with some serious glass. You would think with the D3, that there would be more interest.

-Ed
 

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