The impact of clock spread spectrum in BIOS on sound

Dec 16, 2024 at 2:17 AM Post #16 of 61
Judging from the change in sound, if you don't start the 3D game, just listen to music or watch movies, the "PCIE speed" is definitely not gen 3 or gen 4 under “auto”. This major discovery is equivalent to a loud slap in the face of the BIOS default faction. PC seeks energy saving and carbon reduction when under low load, but we need PC to release high performance when under low load.
 
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Dec 16, 2024 at 4:58 AM Post #17 of 61
I am curious about what other mysterious settings in the BIOS can improve the sound quality.
If your bios supports it try adjusting your RAM speeds to match the speeds of the RAM sticks.

Basically just Google and search then copy how Gamers adjust RAM on their rigs to increase gaming response. Obviously gamers see an improvement in performance...you will also 'hear' an improvement in sound.

In fact not just RAM, but you should copy how Gamers optimize their computers in every way, these proven enhancements in the gaming world do come across as positive gains in the audio world too.

Now I've let one of my secrets to great sound out of the bag.
 
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Dec 16, 2024 at 8:05 PM Post #18 of 61
Now I've let one of my secrets to great sound out of the bag.
My suggestion is that RAM adjustment involves matching the frequency with the bus, north bridge and CPU. It is not that the faster the RAM speed and the smaller the delay, the better the sound. The rational state is: the bus, north bridge, CPU and RAM all work at the same frequency to minimize intermodulation distortion. For new motherboards in recent years, you also need to consider the frequency of PCIE. This is similar to the emphasis I placed on the same model of solid-state capacitors on each component of the computer. The frequency matching under the default setting may not be the best, but it is one of the most stable states, which is one of the conditions for satisfying good sound. If you do not hear a very obvious improvement with your own ears, do not adjust the RAM for the time being. Let the RAM default.
 
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Dec 17, 2024 at 7:07 AM Post #19 of 61
In addition, I tested "SpeedStep" and "Speed Shift" which are often recommended to be disabled. Both of these items are related to the dynamic frequency adjustment of the CPU. After disabling "SpeedStep", I heard that the sound did not change much. This option may only work when the computer is idle for a long time. After disabling "Speed Shift", I heard that the high frequency of the sound became less.

Why does disabling Speed Shift affect the high frequency performance?

When Speed Shift is disabled, the system may fall back to the slower P-State adjustment mechanism, and the dynamic adjustment is not smooth enough, affecting the consistency and real-time performance of data transmission, thereby changing the performance of the sound.

So I kept both "SpeedStep" and "Speed Shift" in the default (auto) state without changing it.
 
Dec 17, 2024 at 3:26 PM Post #20 of 61
I don’t know if this is one of those threads where the only participants are people who have a bizarre view of what audio is (which does not comply with what audio actually is) and are very defensive against the actual facts? If so, then my contribution will be unwelcome but if there’s anyone vaguely interested in the facts:
Disabling C-STATES will make the far field of sound become near field, the sound pressure of the speaker will be enhanced, Compared with the sound under full default settings, the outline of the sound has not changed.
Sound does not have a far field, a near field or an outline, it is simply a varying pressure wave through a medium (air). And, neither your computer nor it’s bios is dealing with varying pressure waves in air (sound), it’s only dealing with digital data.
Since the system disk is in the PCIE channel, any setting that can improve the PCIE performance will make the sound quality change noticeably.
PCIe 2 (4 lane) had a throughput of 20Gbps, while stereo 44/16 (CD) requires a throughput of just over 0.001Gbps and a high bit rate stereo MP3 has a throughput of about 0.0003Gbps. So PCIe 2 has about 20,000 times more throughput than CD format uses and you think PCIe 3, with 40,000 times more throughput will somehow provide an improvement?
My suggestion is that RAM adjustment involves matching the frequency with the bus, north bridge and CPU. It is not that the faster the RAM speed and the smaller the delay, the better the sound.
There is no delay, both RAM and PCIe can deliver the data tens of thousands of times faster than it can be used.
The rational state is: the bus, north bridge, CPU and RAM all work at the same frequency to minimize intermodulation distortion.
Intermodulation Distortion (IMD) is an amplitude modulation/distortion of a waveform (EG. An analogue audio signal or acoustic sound wave) caused by a non-linear process, such as dynamic range compression or tape saturation for example. Neither RAM nor PCIe are non-linear processes and obviously neither are dealing with analogue audio signals or sound waves, they only deal with digital data. So there cannot be any Intermodulation distortion and obviously you cannot “minimise” something that doesn’t exist to start with!

Unfortunately, none of what you claimed is related to how digital data/audio works.

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Dec 17, 2024 at 7:56 PM Post #21 of 61
Unfortunately, none of what you claimed is related to how digital data/audio works.

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You are right, This is a very interesting and complex question, involving the interaction between hardware, signal processing, and subjective auditory perception. While science can explain many hardware operations in computers, it struggles to fully explain how changes in hardware frequency impact sound quality, especially in the subjective experience.
 
Dec 17, 2024 at 10:11 PM Post #22 of 61
Intermodulation Distortion (IMD) is an amplitude modulation/distortion of a waveform (EG. An analogue audio signal or acoustic sound wave) caused by a non-linear process, such as dynamic range compression or tape saturation for example. Neither RAM nor PCIe are non-linear processes and obviously neither are dealing with analogue audio signals or sound waves, they only deal with digital data. So there cannot be any Intermodulation distortion and obviously you cannot “minimise” something that doesn’t exist to start with!
Thank you for your explanation. Indeed, Strictly speaking, digital circuits themselves do not produce traditional intermodulation distortion (IMD), as IMD is caused by nonlinear processes, whereas signal transmission in digital circuits is linear (switching between logical 0 and 1).

However, certain phenomena in digital circuits can indirectly cause discrepancies between the audio signal decoded by the DAC and the original signal, affecting sound quality. These can be considered "intermodulation-like effects" in the digital domain and may manifest as distortion in the analog signal.
 
Dec 18, 2024 at 2:58 AM Post #23 of 61
You are right, This is a very interesting and complex question, involving the interaction between hardware, signal processing, and subjective auditory perception.
It is not a particularly complex question, in fact it’s not a question at all. We know how digital audio and signal processing works because we invented it, there is no digital audio in nature. Also, it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with “subjective auditory perception”; computers, RAM, PCIe busses, DACs and other hardware do not have any auditory perception and certainly not any subjective auditory perception. Auditory perception only occurs in a brain with an auditory cortex and obviously hardware does not have either a human brain or an auditory cortex.
While science can explain many hardware operations in computers, it struggles to fully explain how changes in hardware frequency impact sound quality, especially in the subjective experience.
Science can obviously explain all hardware operations in computers (not just “many”), if it couldn’t there wouldn’t be any computers, except possibly a few being experimented on in research labs. Also, science does not struggle to explain how changes in hardware affect sound, it’s easy to measure sound and detect and correlate differences. If science did struggle to fully explain it, there would not be a telecoms industry but obviously there has been a telecoms industry for well over a century! Lastly and again, science obviously does not struggle to explain “subjective experience” (let alone “especially”), in fact it could not be easier to explain because again, neither hardware nor sound has any “subjective experience”, that again is a function of an animal/human brain, which hardware does not have.
Indeed, Strictly speaking, digital circuits themselves do not produce traditional intermodulation distortion (IMD), as IMD is caused by nonlinear processes, whereas signal transmission in digital circuits is linear (switching between logical 0 and 1).
There’s no such thing as “traditional intermodulation distortion”, there is just IMD which is the same thing it’s always been.
However, certain phenomena in digital circuits can indirectly cause discrepancies between the audio signal decoded by the DAC and the original signal, affecting sound quality.
I don’t know what phenomena you’re talking about in digital circuits that cause discrepancies between the audio signal and the original signal that affect sound? Maybe you’re referring to jitter but then jitter in a typical digital circuit/DAC does not affect the sound!
These can be considered "intermodulation-like effects" in the digital domain and may manifest as distortion in the analog signal.
Intermodulation distortion is the distortion that occurs when two or more different audio/sound frequencies occur simultaneously within a signal and through a non-linear process, modulate to create other, harmonically unrelated frequencies. Digital audio is just digital data, there are no different frequencies within a digital data signal to modulate and therefore there cannot be any “intermodulation like effects”.

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Dec 18, 2024 at 4:33 AM Post #24 of 61
Simply put, can I ask a small question? If you hear no difference in sound when the RAM has XMP turned on or off, then you are indeed correct.

While digital circuits do not produce intermodulation distortion in the strictest sense, factors like jitter, EMI, and signal integrity issues can indirectly cause "distortion" compared to the original audio signal through the DAC decoding process.

These effects can be mitigated by optimizing system parameters (e.g., frequency settings, disabling power-saving features) to improve sound quality.
 
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Dec 18, 2024 at 5:18 AM Post #25 of 61
Simply put, can I ask a small question? If you hear no difference in sound when the RAM has XMP turned on or off, then you are indeed correct.
Your small question makes no sense and is irrelevant, so I can’t answer it. Can I ask you a question? How does what I hear affect the performance of RAM, a bios, a DAC or any other hardware, do you think there’s some sort of telepathic feedback signal from my brain/hearing to audio hardware or a computer’s bios?

There’s a very easy way to determine if I am correct, ask yourself if there is a telecoms industry and are there computers? Also, take the lid off your DAC or other hardware and see if it has a human brain and auditory cortex. If not, then I was correct, DACs, etc., do not have human brains and therefore no “subjective auditory perception” or “subjective experience”. If you want to know if I am correct about IMD or what sound or digital data is, go and fact check it with a reliable source (Wikipedia for example). Me being “indeed correct” has nothing to do with my or anyone else’s hearing. You might as well ask what colour shoes I prefer, because that too has nothing to do with whether I am “indeed correct”. Isn’t all the above obvious to you?

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Dec 18, 2024 at 5:28 AM Post #26 of 61
Your small question makes no sense and is irrelevant, so I can’t answer it. Can I ask you a question? How does what I hear affect the performance of RAM, a bios, a DAC or any other hardware, do you think there’s some sort of telepathic feedback signal from my brain/hearing to audio hardware or a computer’s bios?
The reason why changes in RAM frequency affect sound quality but are difficult to explain scientifically lies in the complex interactions between hardware components, electrical interference, timing issues, and subjective auditory perception. While these factors are challenging to quantify, they undoubtedly influence the overall audio experience. Ultimately, audio quality is a subjective experience, and hardware settings that work well for one person may not necessarily work for another.
 
Dec 18, 2024 at 5:32 AM Post #27 of 61
There’s a very easy way to determine if I am correct, ask yourself if there is a telecoms industry and are there computers? Also, take the lid off your DAC or other hardware and see if it has a human brain and auditory cortex. If not, then I was correct, DACs, etc., do not have human brains and therefore no “subjective auditory perception” or “subjective experience”. If you want to know if I am correct about IMD or what sound or digital data is, go and fact check it with a reliable source (Wikipedia for example). Me being “indeed correct” has nothing to do with my or anyone else’s hearing. You might as well ask what colour shoes I prefer, because that too has nothing to do with whether I am “indeed correct”. Isn’t all the above obvious to you?
Changes in sound quality due to RAM frequency adjustments often fall outside the scope of traditional scientific measurements. Standard tests typically focus on objective parameters such as signal-to-noise ratio (SNR), total harmonic distortion (THD), etc., which do not fully capture the nuances of audio experience.
 
Dec 18, 2024 at 6:00 AM Post #28 of 61
The impact of RAM frequency on sound quality is not directly a traditional form of distortion (like intermodulation distortion). Instead, it affects the overall system stability, timing accuracy, and power noise, which indirectly changes sound quality. This change is subtle and typically noticeable only in high-fidelity systems or high-resolution audio.

In my system which is not high-end, I've indeed noticed subtle changes in sound quality when adjusting the RAM frequency or other system settings, particularly in the high frequencies and soundstage. Although these changes are hard to quantify, I can clearly feel their impact on the sound quality.
 
Dec 18, 2024 at 8:31 AM Post #29 of 61
The reason why changes in RAM frequency affect sound quality but are difficult to explain scientifically lies in the complex interactions between hardware components, electrical interference, timing issues, and subjective auditory perception. While these factors are challenging to quantify, they undoubtedly influence the overall audio experience. Ultimately, audio quality is a subjective experience, and hardware settings that work well for one person may not necessarily work for another.

Changes in sound quality due to RAM frequency adjustments often fall outside the scope of traditional scientific measurements. Standard tests typically focus on objective parameters such as signal-to-noise ratio (SNR), total harmonic distortion (THD), etc., which do not fully capture the nuances of audio experience.

The impact of RAM frequency on sound quality is not directly a traditional form of distortion (like intermodulation distortion). Instead, it affects the overall system stability, timing accuracy, and power noise, which indirectly changes sound quality. This change is subtle and typically noticeable only in high-fidelity systems or high-resolution audio.

In my system which is not high-end, I've indeed noticed subtle changes in sound quality when adjusting the RAM frequency or other system settings, particularly in the high frequencies and soundstage. Although these changes are hard to quantify, I can clearly feel their impact on the sound quality.

None of those things exist in a model that would impact any form of computing/processing and not issues in modern computing (or any computing). If, for one example, different RAM changes sound when in combination with other components, then no computer would work reliably for any function as digital data processing is the same for any type of data

You're searching for solutions to problems that simply don't exist.
 
Dec 18, 2024 at 9:31 AM Post #30 of 61
Sooo.. I have an MSI Godlike motherboard with a built in DAC - Haven't noticed anything different from many different types of CPU/Memory clocking/overclocking etc. I am wondering what the differences would be from say a built in sound/DAC on the motherboard, vs using an external card on the PCI bus, or an external card on from say the USB.

Another thing that is interesting about this, one of the most expensive home theater processors is PC based. I am curious if they had any challenges with this very thing.
 

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