The Endgame Headphone - is there an end?
Jun 2, 2016 at 3:42 PM Post #61 of 65
Hiya thanks for all your observations but please bear in mind this is just ba bit of fun and the thread was produced to get some stories as to why the endgamers like their headphones . people will find parallels with their own journeys and enjoy the info. An owners tale carries a lot of weight esp if they are settled with their phones.
 
Jun 2, 2016 at 3:59 PM Post #62 of 65
Some good points made. However, I don't think the poll has any meaning at all. Of course it is amusing and generating discussion, so that is all good.

The poll does not reveal how many of us sold/replaced a given model in the first year, only how many say they kept it. For example, 24 people voted for the HD-800. If one person sold their HD-800, then 24 or 25 is really impressive. If 100 people sold their HD-800, well not so impressive after all. Without that ratio, the data is meaningless.
 
Since we know the HD-800 has outsold all the headphones in the poll (probably combined), it would be shocking if it did not win even if large numbers of HD-800 owners do not end up keeping them for a year. (Not saying that is actually the case.)
 
Jun 2, 2016 at 4:24 PM Post #63 of 65
There is definitely an endgame. The problem is that it doesn't last very long.


I agree with this. Some people may come to the conclusion that they are content with their setup, but curiosity and new technologies/releases can change that.
 
 
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  In the end, all of this is relative.
 
You often see comments like "I have found my endgame headphone.", and this applies to all price brackets, not just top tier. (Here is one notable example.)
 
For some, an affordable headphone can be endgame. For others of the more curious persuasion, nothing will ever be endgame, because there is a practically endless supply of headphones to try. Like the first post implied, it can be a never-ending quest if you let it be. Plenty of long-time headphone owners who have stated that their current headphones are their endgame eventually succumbed to temptation and experimented further. This is an inevitable destiny for many of us, and something to keep in mind.
 
There's also the fact that numerous headphone enthusiasts are interested in various sound signatures, not only the "best" and most accurate one.
 
I occasionally see owners of high-end headphones "downgrade" to something more affordable. (I've done it before as well.) Though this can come down to financial issues, it can also be due to simply either preferring the sound of the cheaper pair or not being willing to pay the premium for what is deemed to be not enough of an upgrade.
 
Regarding the efficacy of the poll...I think that it is ultimately only going to demonstrate the relative popularity of the various models among ultra-high-end headphone owners who have participated. Someone may have owned one of them for over a year with no intention of switching or otherwise expanding—a useful point of data in and of itself—but this doesn't tell you anything else, really. Endgame generally means something that you are happy with to the extent that you no longer feel the desire to try anything else; however, this does not necessarily mean that you have compared all the available choices to come to this conclusion. For this reason, the phrase "they are the best" (at the top of the poll) can be misleading, as even if there were a way to judge which headphone is the absolute best in the selection, such an assessment would be predicated on hearing them all (or in this case, owning them all for over a year) in the first place. If the wording were to be changed to "they are the best I have heard", it would simplify things.
 
Concerning more objective matters such as audio fidelity...I don't believe that terms like "best" and "endgame" should be foisted upon others and associated with a particular thing in a definite sense, since what matters most is the subjective experience: what is best for you as a unique individual. A headphone can be higher fidelity in one respect but lower fidelity in another. Higher fidelity reproduction can easily sound worse for less than stellar recordings. So there are trade-offs. Still, some headphones are undoubtedly higher fidelity than others, but this is not always as set in stone as one might think.
 
One of the most important things that should be mentioned (and rarely is for one reason or another) is that headphones can be equalized to have the same frequency response. I feel that this is a better gauge for the true quality of a headphone, once you have tapped into the potential of its frequency response and can then compare to other headphones based on what they are truly capable of instead of primarily comparing the stock tuning.
 
Taking things further, modifications open up more possibilities. Especially intriguing are the ones (such as this) that can be used with all sorts of headphones.
 
These are exciting avenues that have yet to be explored on a sufficient scale, and they could very well turn the tables on the established hierarchy of headphones.

 
Well put!
 
Jun 3, 2016 at 1:02 PM Post #64 of 65
There is definitely an endgame. The problem is that it doesn't last very long.

That post should be up for an award!!!! It's the best one I've seen on headfi
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Jun 3, 2016 at 1:30 PM Post #65 of 65
Now we're having fun - I put the following out to the great minds of headfi -  there may be endgame headphones which will always be endgame no matter what new tech or signature is produced. I produce as evidence the following attributes that contribute to the purchase and ownership of a headphone.
 
Comfort - not excluding those who wear glasses when listening to their music - the clamping effect not only make a difference in the pressure against the head but also the isolation will be changed
Looks - like it or not the visual appeal will have a sway in whether the treasured possession loses it's sheen over the years. There is something very subtle about a design that stands the test of time against something that begins to look dated after a while.
Sensitivity - Whereas there may be a headfier who could never consider a full size over their custom IEM there is another argument for saying that the SR009/BHSE owner may feel they have the perfect blend and would therefore need to consider more than a headphone upgrade - they would need to find a BHSE beater. That double combination may prove difficult.
Price - the headphones on this poll are pricey - sure , some will fetch a decent return on the initial investment. Many won't get their true value on the second hand market because people seem to love buying things new. Which means that to replace a phone that may have better sound but may not be as comfortable or so easy to match with the source or amp the endgamer has to also consider yet another huge outlay that is likely to quickly depreciate in resale value.
Longevity - the SR009 , Sigma , SR007 , Orpheus , K1000, MDR-R10 amongst others are legendary. They have stood the test of time and the fickle nature of what it in this season and what is out. Will the potential replacement for such a phone sound as good in 5, 10 or 20 years' time is a huge question for someone who owns the above or similar.
 
We live in a consumer driven society and there are infinte tempations out there for change ; but I stand by my conviction that there are those headfiers out there who have realised that there is no longer any point in looking for a headphone that is more comfortable, better looking, more compatible, better value and will be worth having in another 20 years time. Which is irrespective as to whether they sound any better - which in itself opens up a can of worms . Better bass treble mids sound stage and clarity? Better for rock or just for classical?
Having written this I'm surprised any of us take the plunge.....
 

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