[Nomax]

And the composer is still excellent on Chamber. Symphony is something that really should be heard on speakers or in the hall. But the composer does great for a headphone. But the HD800S's wider soundstage wins the day.

The only difference is that the soundstage is not on the recording the way the HD800/S presents it
(It is up to the acoustician how far away from the ear and at what angle he places the transducers...but this has nothing to do with the authenticity of what is on the recording)

NOMAX

 

[Nomax]

You choose a music that sounding better on Utopia and says Utopia is different league.

Years ago, the Frenchman was already in a completely different league to the HD800S..That's what I meant

NOMAX

 

[shabta]

The only difference is that the soundstage is not on the recording the way the HD800/S presents it

NOMAX

That is true for every headphone. But the wide soundstage is more like what you would hear on speakers....

 

[Skeith]

Years ago, the Frenchman was already in a completely different league to the HD800S

NOMAX

Yeah, Utopia driver failure rate is completely different league compared to HD800S.

 

[Nomax]

Yeah, Utopia driver failure rate is completely different league compared to HD800S.

Strangely enough, I've never had a problem with mine
(Actually only once many many years ago with the Denon D7000)

NOMAX

 

[Tano]

This discussion makes no sense. Both Utopia and HD800s are top headphones for a reason.
I owned both and I won't consider any of them to be better, just different. Each one has his strengths, but for me, they are in the same league.

 

[Skeith]

This discussion makes no sense. Both Utopia and HD800s are top headphones for a reason.
I owned both and I won't consider any of them to be better, just different. Each one has his strengths, but for me, they are in the same league.

Nomax just like to overhyped some headphones.

 

[Nomax]

This discussion makes no sense. Both Utopia and HD800s are top headphones for a reason.
I owned both and I won't consider any of them to be better, just different. Each one has his strengths, but for me, they are in the same league.

For me, a sound stage is not the most important thing...I'm more interested in the sound and technical performance

NOMAX

 

[Nomax]

Nomax just like to overhyped some headphones.

Everyone has their own preferences and ideas about a performance over headphones .... which do not necessarily coincide with mine

NOMAX

PS.lol

@minute 30.30

 

[Tano]

For me, a sound stage is not the most important thing...I'm more interested in the sound and technical performance

NOMAX

Sound and technical performance of the HD800 is on par with pretty much everything out there.

TANO

PS LOL

 

[Nomax]

Sound and technical performance of the HD800 is on par with pretty much every out there.

TANO

PS LOL

I am happy for everyone who is still happy with him

NOMAX

 

[Majuto]

I was just wondering on how this would compare to the following headphones:

a. Meze Empyrean 2
b. Abyss Diana MR
c. Dan Clark E3
d. Modhouse Tungsten
e. ZMF Caldera
f. used Stax 009s
g. used Hifiman Susvara

... or should i just buy speakers with 2000+ grand in cash.

If you have followed the bit heated up discussion here, I think you came into conclusion that your question is wide. And really difficult if not impossible to answer.
It might be a good idea anyhow to check out which you prefer more, headphones or loudspeakers or maybe them both.
It might also be helpfull to scale up your budget vs the whole package you intend to buy. At least Susvara and higher end Staxes are really picky for amps etc. There ain't much sense to buy headphones with great potential if the rest of pack doesn't support it.

 

[yukihasi]

Nice discussions going on, I've been listening to the composer a lot since I got it. Brought it to a shoot out with Susvara recently at a friend's place, on a true hi-end system (100k USD+), the Susvara is in a different league in all the technicalities, but I still prefer the mids/vocal of the composer. For me personally, the sonic signature is just something irreplaceable, and the composer's technicality is still in the top dynamic driver league.

I can dig out my OG Utopia from the dust for a comparison if ppl are interested, I am lacking the drive to do that at the moment and am focusing on my next system upgrade which is going to be surrounding the composer.

 

[noplsestar]

Nice discussions going on, I've been listening to the composer a lot since I got it. Brought it to a shoot out with Susvara recently at a friend's place, on a true hi-end system (100k USD+), the Susvara is in a different league in all the technicalities, but I still prefer the mids/vocal of the composer. For me personally, the sonic signature is just something irreplaceable, and the composer's technicality is still in the top dynamic driver league.

I can dig out my OG Utopia from the dust for a comparison if ppl are interested, I am lacking the drive to do that at the moment and am focusing on my next system upgrade which is going to be surrounding the composer.

Which system (surrounding the Composer) are you eyeing?

 

[yukihasi]

Which system (surrounding the Composer) are you eyeing?

I think the AIC-10 will stay, it compliments the composer pretty well and is very transparent for the source to make a difference. My source (Meridian 808v5 CDP) is going to be replaced, eyeing Esoteric and Weiss streamer DACs at the moment.