The battle of CHI-FI IEMs

Dec 4, 2019 at 4:48 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 12

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Some crappy SOL republic IEM, ATH-IM70, and Xiaomi HD pros something (Not 100% sure which model it was) these are the IEMs I used for the past 7 years Loved the im70s (Used them with Viper4Android) and was able to tune them to my liking but I lost it 1 year ago and have been living with these xiaomi and I HATE THEM.

After googling around I found the Tin T2 and that Opened my eyes for the CHI-FI market and as always you find people that swear by every model (It makes it sound like every model ever created is #1) and after some searching around I narrowed it down to (Kz zs10 pro, Kz zs7, Tin t2)

I love EDM and more than one guy mentioned that the zs7 is the 10 pro with a little more bass and the T2 is just flat (Accurate yes, fun no) and barely have bass (I want tight bass not muddy flaps).

What would you recommend? and any other options?

Thanks a lot :)
 
Dec 4, 2019 at 5:05 AM Post #2 of 12
Some crappy SOL republic IEM, ATH-IM70, and Xiaomi HD pros something (Not 100% sure which model it was) these are the IEMs I used for the past 7 years Loved the im70s (Used them with Viper4Android) and was able to tune them to my liking but I lost it 1 year ago and have been living with these xiaomi and I HATE THEM.

After googling around I found the Tin T2 and that Opened my eyes for the CHI-FI market and as always you find people that swear by every model (It makes it sound like every model ever created is #1) and after some searching around I narrowed it down to (Kz zs10 pro, Kz zs7, Tin t2)

I love EDM and more than one guy mentioned that the zs7 is the 10 pro with a little more bass and the T2 is just flat (Accurate yes, fun no) and barely have bass (I want tight bass not muddy flaps).

What would you recommend? and any other options?

Thanks a lot :)

Yeah I've been using IEMs for 15 years and the past 2 years I have not bought much western IEMs after I realized the CHIFI have caught up to them in the budget/midfi level. Nowadays, even sub $50 USD can get you very good sound nowadays in the CHIFI market. Some of these sets are as good or even surpass my western IEMs at a fraction of the price.

What's your budget?
And your preferred sound signature? You like V shaped, harman or neutral sound signature?

ZS7 seems to have very good reviews in the CHIFI thread for EDM, though I don't own it personally, but maybe u can ask the others in the KZ or CHIFI threads:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/chinese-asian-brand-iem-info-thread.820747/
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/knowledge-zenith-kz-impressions-thread.698148/

I had the KZ ZS10 Pro before I gave it away, it is very good for the coin, good instrument separation, clarity, details. Bass is a wee bit flabby, and midbass is of more quantity than subbass. It is a good allrounder for most genres, easily drivable, comfortable and good isolation. I gave it away cause it had a slight artificial timbre for acoustic instruments in the treble registers, but as long as you are not particular about timbre or listen to much classical/jazz, it will be a good set to get. Unfortunately, my main music genres involve a lot of acoustic instruments so I had to give it away.
Anyway there is a successor to the KZ ZS10 Pro called KZ ZSX (terminator). It's a few dollars more and has improvements in technicalities and timbre, so do consider this (though I don't own the terminator).

I skipped the tin T2 cause from reviews and FR it was too neutral for me, not enough bass as I'm a basshead, but some people do a bass vent mod to increase the bass, though it will probably be flabby. But it is one of the goldstandard CHIFI at that price for a good netural set.

I listen very occasionally to EDM, and I generally would like more bass for it. My go to sets for EDM are:
1) TFZ No. 3 - very good subbass extension and quantity, good for bassheads. For a single DD it has great clarity, instrument separation and details. Soundstage is however average. Mild midbass bleed and flabbiness but otherwise great for EDM.
2) Semkarch SKC CNT1 - previously retailing about $95 USD, it has been discontinued so a few shops online are selling it at < 50 bucks the past few weeks. It has 2 tuning filters and with the black one it can be just a level shy of basshead levels. The FR is very good, no harsh peaks/valleys. If u can get it < $50 USD, it is just slightly less technical than the TFZ No. 3 and more versatile due to the tuning filters. Its bass is quicker and more accurate than the TFZ No. 3.
3) **** - very cheap, $17ish USD. Good soundstage, clarity, details, instrument separation. Isolation is bad cause it is semi open back. Good subbass extension. Unfortunately, it had quite a bad timbre for acoustic instruments, so I gave it away too. Very good for EDM though for the price.

There's been some great < $50 USD CHIFI sets that recently released, and they are getting great reviews here on headfi and on other audio sites, so maybe u can check these out: KZ ZSX, CCA C12, TRN V90, TRN BA5, BLON BL-03.

All the best in your search!
 
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Dec 4, 2019 at 5:17 AM Post #3 of 12
Yeah I've been using IEMs for 15 years and the past 2 years I have not bought much western IEMs after I realized the CHIFI have caught up to them in the budget/midfi level. Nowadays, even sub $50 USD can get you very good sound nowadays in the CHIFI market. Some of these sets are as good or even surpass my western IEMs at a fraction of the price.

What's your budget?
And your preferred sound signature? You like V shaped, harman or neutral sound signature?

ZS7 seems to have very good reviews in the CHIFI thread for EDM, though I don't own it personally, but maybe u can ask the others in the KZ or CHIFI threads:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/chinese-asian-brand-iem-info-thread.820747/
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/knowledge-zenith-kz-impressions-thread.698148/

I had the KZ ZS10 Pro before I gave it away, it is very good for the coin, good instrument separation, clarity, details. Bass is a wee bit flabby, and midbass is of more quantity than subbass. It is a good allrounder for most genres, easily drivable, comfortable and good isolation. I gave it away cause it had a slight artificial timbre for acoustic instruments in the treble registers, but as long as you are not particular about timbre or listen to much classical/jazz, it will be a good set to get. Unfortunately, my main music genres involve a lot of acoustic instruments so I had to give it away.
Anyway there is a successor to the KZ ZS10 Pro called KZ ZSX (terminator). It's a few dollars more and has improvements in technicalities and timbre, so do consider this (though I don't own the terminator).

I skipped the tin T2 cause from reviews and FR it was too neutral for me, not enough bass as I'm a basshead, but some people do a bass vent mod to increase the bass, though it will probably be flabby. But it is one of the goldstandard CHIFI at that price for a good netural set.

I listen very occasionally to EDM, and I generally would like more bass for it. My go to sets for EDM are:
1) TFZ No. 3 - very good subbass extension and quantity, good for bassheads. For a single DD it has great clarity, instrument separation and details. Soundstage is however average. Mild midbass bleed and flabbiness but otherwise great for EDM.
2) Semkarch SKC CNT1 - previously retailing about $95 USD, it has been discontinued so a few shops online are selling it at < 50 bucks the past few weeks. It has 2 tuning filters and with the black one it can be just a level shy of basshead levels. The FR is very good, no harsh peaks/valleys. If u can get it < $50 USD, it is just slightly less technical than the TFZ No. 3 and more versatile due to the tuning filters. Its bass is quicker and more accurate than the TFZ No. 3.
3) **** - very cheap, $17ish USD. Good soundstage, clarity, details, instrument separation. Isolation is bad cause it is semi open back. Good subbass extension. Unfortunately, it had quite a bad timbre for acoustic instruments, so I gave it away too. Very good for EDM though for the price.

There's been some great < $50 USD CHIFI sets that recently released, and they are getting great reviews here on headfi and on other audio sites, so maybe u can check these out: KZ ZSX, CCA C12, TRN V90, TRN BA5, BLON BL-03.

All the best in your search!

Thanks a lot for the comprehensive point of view, Gonna give the KZ/CHIFI threads a go and see what Info I can get from those.

Regarding the price range ~$50 seems to be fine but after all I got the im70 for $130 in 2014 so I can manage to go above the ~50$ but how much better is it gonna get?, there is a chance I might go to Malaysia within the next two weeks and as a friend told me its easy to find most of these models on display in Audio shops (That would help tremendously) but if that plan was canceled then I am gonna check some of BLON's options and the terminator (Just for the sake of the name :D ).

Have a great day.

EDIT: Sorry I forgot to mention its not that I love V shaped IEMS but would like for it to be a smaller v if that makes sense.
 
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Dec 4, 2019 at 5:29 AM Post #4 of 12
Thanks a lot for the comprehensive point of view, Gonna give the KZ/CHIFI threads a go and see what Info I can get from those.

Regarding the price range ~$50 seems to be fine but after all I got the im70 for $130 in 2014 so I can manage to go above the ~50$ but how much better is it gonna get?, there is a chance I might go to Malaysia within the next two weeks and as a friend told me its easy to find most of these models on display in Audio shops (That would help tremendously) but if that plan was canceled then I am gonna check some of BLON's options and the terminator (Just for the sake of the name :D ).

Have a great day.

There's definitely diminishing returns in the audio hobby. 30 - 50 buck CHIFI get u quite good quality nowadays, like for example the KZ ZS10 Pro can give about 80% sound quality (details/clarity/instrument separation/imaging) vs my more expensive Westone 3, which costs 10 times more. I've auditioned some TOTL IEMs that are like $1 - 2 K USD and I personally felt they were about 20% better than my midfi stuff. So we are paying for the last 10 - 20% sound each rung we go up.

But it would be good for u to try to audition a set if possible, and maybe buy a $30 - 50 USD set first, and see if u like/dislike the sound signature and upgrade from there.
BLON BL-03 (single DD) is a big hypetrain in CHIFI now. It is good for slower genres as it has good timbre and tonality for acoustic genres, but it is not too good in the technicals department. Stuff like KZ terminator, CCA C12, TRN V90 (which are multi BA/hybrids) have better technicals. Plus the BLON's fit with stock tips +/- cables is pretty bad, so u might need aftermarket tips and cables, check out the reviews about it.
 
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Dec 12, 2019 at 10:55 PM Post #6 of 12
After googling around I found the Tin T2 and that Opened my eyes for the CHI-FI market and as always you find people that swear by every model (It makes it sound like every model ever created is #1) and after some searching around I narrowed it down to (Kz zs10 pro, Kz zs7, Tin t2)

I love EDM and more than one guy mentioned that the zs7 is the 10 pro with a little more bass and the T2 is just flat (Accurate yes, fun no) and barely have bass (I want tight bass not muddy flaps).

What would you recommend? and any other options?

Thanks a lot :)

Sorry for getting to your question late. I am a new entrant into Chi-Fi (late 2018), and have experience with some of the IEMs you are asking about.

If you're just starting out, it can be useful to get a small range of cheap IEMs from different manufacturers that represent different types of tunings. Then, you'll get a better sense of what you like, so you know what to save up for in the upper bracket. (Don't spend all your time and money in the sub-50 bracket if you are concerned about 'missing out.')

So the Tin Audio T2 is 'neutral,' you can look up what that means. People will praise the T2's accuracy. But it's definitely not following a strong V/W/U 'shape,' it hasn't been tuned for 'fun.'

This isn't a bad thing. The T2 is going to render classical and jazz without distorting the tuning as much as a typical Chi-Fi will. It's one of the only near-neutral chi-fi IEMs in the sub-50 range, and absolutely dominated that market for more than a year at $35 or less.

The real bad-points of the T2 that aren't brought up as much are 1) the fit is questionable, since it uses this cylinder/barrel housing that you kinda have to cram in your ear. At least you can do cable changes and other mods to change the fit, and lots of people do exactly that. I find that the filter and foam tips are larger than I'd like, as well.

2) The way the housings are positioned is not ideal, and many people 'reverse' how the cable connects to the housings, which leads to better fit in-ear.

So comfort is an issue for me, and many. And it sounds a little 'thin' and maybe 'bright' to my ears, and I'm not alone. Again, not a problem for classical and jazz, some forms of rock. But this is far away from a 'basshead' IEM.

If you can get one for about $28 like I did a year ago, it's a great way to experience 'neutral' tuning, and a very-high level of detail for the price range. But it's not something to rock out to, in my view.*


Okay, so you want to rock out, maybe? That's where your KZs come in. Forget about classical and a lot of jazz with the ZS7/ZS-10P. These are V-Shaped IEMs with a lot of excitement.

For information about the ZS-10 Pro, you can read what I just posted in the KZ thread:

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/kno...essions-thread.698148/page-3271#post-15359274

To help answer your question, I should add my thoughts on the ZS-7 to what I already wrote about the ZS-10 Pro in the link above.

The ZS-7 is not the same as the ZS-10 Pro. The ZS-7 has a powerful, far-reaching bass that doesn't bleed into the mids. It also 'juices' or 'energizes' the treble, colouring it to make it more exciting than a neutral tuning. The midrange is somewhat recessed (there is debate about how much), but it is very clear and not veiled. You can hear the mids just fine, it's just that they are not amped like the highs and lows.

The ZS-7 hits out of its price bracket in terms of soundstage and detail, in my opinion. I would argue that it may have a larger stage than the ZS-10 Pro.

I think that the ZS-10 Pro is more 'conventional' than the ZS-7, and uses a more 'family-friendly' standard V-shape. You lose some mids because of the tuning, and they might be a little grainy, but the ZS-10 Pro provides 'impact.' Its probably going to be a more reliable performer with classic rock from the late 60s up to the end of the 80s. And people take it very seriously for hip-hop and metal. Conversely, I use the ZS-7 to 'colour' music that my other IEMs are unfairly rendering in a boring fashion. It's hard to tell which one you'll like more, but the ZS-10 Pro is a more 'generalist' tuning (excluding classical and jazz).

I should point out that the ZS-10 Pro successor, the ZSX is out, which allegedly beats it (marginally) in sound but not necessarily fit.


Anyway, the T2 and ZS-10 Pro/ZSX will give you two very different IEMs. You can round that out with the BLON BL-03, which older reviews won't mention, but is the biggest thing in Chi-Fi right now. It is technically a worse performer than the T2/ZS10P IMO, but people rave about its much more 'natural' 'Harmanesque/Oxygen' tuning. So those 3 would cover you well.

You can also consider some slightly different signatures, like the Y*nY*o V2. [The name is banned here]. I mention that one because it is like the T2, but a more-musical 'near-neutral' tuning instead of just neutral. At least in the first edition - the new one might be more neutral and boring.

Also, TRN produces some interesting budget IEMs. Last year's V80 is fun because it very cheaply provides an overcharged, sparkly treble at the same time as a powerful bass. The midrange is just lost in all this, and the tuning is very synthetic. But it's an example of what you can do by supercharging those elements in a cheap IEM, and is great for watching TV shows and listening to fast energetic guitar bands. You can get it for like $18 sometimes.


Some of the more discerning audiophiles here believe that brands other than the KZ/CCA/TRN triumverate are offering more 'musical' tunings in the sub-50 range, notably BQEYZ (with the KB100 and BQ3), and things like the KBear KB06, which offers good bass for $20 during sales. So you might want to take a look at those 'gems,' as they get less review attention.


So get 2-3 of these cheapies, your suggestion of the ZS-10 Pro (get the ZSX, really) and Tin T2 is fine. Throw in the Blon BL-03 and maybe a TRN, and you're set. [Or KB06 if you want to mix things up].

With those in hand, you'll know if you want to go the single/dual DD route (T2) with possible carbon nanotubes, the hybrid multi-BA route of most KZs and TRNs, or the 'musical' single-DDs that are becoming increasingly popular (BL-03), or crazy technicalities that a good V80 can introduce you to, which many of the more expensive IEMs like to focus on.


*The successor to the Tin Audio T2, the Tin Hifi T4 is now available, and you can probably still get it at promotional $75 price on AliExpress. Whether it is worth 2x or more the cost of a T2 will be debated for some time.
 
Dec 12, 2019 at 11:01 PM Post #7 of 12
Thanks a lot for the info and right now I am stuck again after going into the KZ thread :D

ZSX,ZS7,CCA C12

To answer your more recent question, the ZSX is going to give you a lot of what you need. And some people think that the new TRN V90 has even better bass, although some say that the V90 is a little 'sterile' or 'dry' sounding. So those are two very strong contenders for you.

I forgot to mention about the ZS7, the fit is worse than the ZS-10 Pro (best fit) and ZSX. The ZS7 has a complex Andromeda-styled housing that protrudes from my ear, and it also requires giant foam tips (for me, at least). So it's not the most casual of IEMs for me. But worth it for certain albums. [This fit issue and 'unique' tuning of the ZS7 makes the ZSX a 'safer' bet for you, I think.]

The C12 is not as head-banging as the ZSX (or ZS7) from what I understand. Bass may not be present in the same quality/quantity. It's a more 'neutral' tuning by KZ standards, although not actually 'neutral.' I think it's supposed to be a jack-of-all-trades, capable of handling most genres, without quite the impact of the ZSX.

EDIT: If it's world-class bass you are after for cheap, many people swear by the TFZ T2 Galaxy, which goes for around $40 on AliExpress during sales, and maybe even Drop at times.
 
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Dec 13, 2019 at 5:53 AM Post #8 of 12
Holly, I would need sometime to process all of that.

I can't thank you enough but hopefully this thread will live on to give new comers like me all the data they need to make a purchase as the amount of concentrated info here is just mind boggling compared to find I was able to find searching around the forum.

After my initial read I might just do what you recommended get a couple of these IEMs and compare to get an understanding of what every one keeps saying and make sure that I have a sound signature I like.

The TFZ T2 galaxy + TIN t2 + (ZSX/7 or C12) as I can get these three for 100$ from Malaysia as my cousin is coming soon.

And again I can't thank you all enough for the help.
 
Dec 13, 2019 at 1:41 PM Post #9 of 12
Yeah, a lot of concentrated information. Many of us are making purchasing decisions right now, so all the detail is in our heads.

The T2 Galaxy + Tin T2 + ZS? or C12 are an awesome combo, and you should definitely get them for $100 if you can. They will educate you well.
 
Dec 24, 2019 at 3:13 PM Post #11 of 12
Thanks a lot for the info and right now I am stuck again after going into the KZ thread :D

ZSX,ZS7,CCA C12
Skip the CCA C12 and replace it with a TRN V90......toss in a TRN IM2 since it’s so DAMN good and only $15. Don't forget the BLON.:deadhorse:

And of course it’s not a normal day if I don’t recommend the TFZ T2 Galaxy.:)
 
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Dec 24, 2019 at 5:35 PM Post #12 of 12
Just spend the $70 and get LZ A6 Mini. I have never heard the IM70, but I have owned a few pairs of $200-$300 AT in ears and the LZ absolutely destroys then in every facet of sound. Stage is insane and imaging is very precise.

Anyway the A6mini is a $200 IEM that is on clearance for $70-$80.
 

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