[musicman59]

so my friend lent me his Kimber Axios cable and I hooked it up to the SolP. plugged it into the Dave.

crossfeed 3 is a bit too much low end; sounds a bit too boomy for me. 0 seems about right and sounds most "correct".

since the Dave is hooked up to the WA33, I gave that a go with the Kimber cable too. definitely prefer the DaveWa33 over Dave alone. everything sounds bigger, more expansive, and more mids and midbass. comparatively, Dave alone is more transparent up top for sure but overall sounds a bit flat after hearing it with the Wa33.

Which of the 3 Axios cables did you use (copper, hybrid or silver)?

 

[Roasty]

Which of the 3 Axios cables did you use (copper, hybrid or silver)?

it's the copper version.
the build quality is really nice. fantastic braid. not a big fan of the wooden part though (on the 1/4 inch plug).

 

[musicman59]

I own the Silver version and is the best cable I have ever heard. I bought it after listening to the bass out of the Utopia/WA33 EE combo.
I got different direct adaptors from Affinity Cables for all my other headphones so I can maximize the expense.

 

[MatW]

I'm wondering about the difference between the P and P-SE. I'm seeing different opinions. Some saying the P is 'much better', others that the difference is 'marginal'.
The price difference is substantial. What are your thoughts? (I remember seeing a good comparison in this thread but I cannot find it quickly.)

 

[ThanatosVI]

I'm wondering about the difference between the P and P-SE. I'm seeing different opinions. Some saying the P is 'much better', others that the difference is 'marginal'.
The price difference is substantial. What are your thoughts? (I remember seeing a good comparison in this thread but I cannot find it quickly.)

They have different tonality, how far they are apart is a matter of what's Important to you ... or so I have heard (never heard the P-SE myself)

I've even seen people that prefer the P-SE due to it's more energetic tonality.
The P is said to have an edge in subbass performance which was the reason why I decided on it over the P-SE, even though I prefer the all black design of the P-SE.

The P-SE has slightly more midbass and more energy in the treble.
Detail and imaging are apparently quite close(still with the P being slightly superior), which makes the P-SE outstanding in its price bracket

 

[BTD1]

They have different tonality, how far they are apart is a matter of what's Important to you ... or so I have heard (never heard the P-SE myself)

I've even seen people that prefer the P-SE due to it's more energetic tonality.
The P is said to have an edge in subbass performance which was the reason why I decided on it over the P-SE, even though I prefer the all black design of the P-SE.

The P-SE has slightly more midbass and more energy in the treble.
Detail and imaging are apparently quite close(still with the P being slightly superior), which makes the P-SE outstanding in its price bracket

I have both. I have only listened to the SE a few times. After the P, the SE sounds lacking and somewhat dry. It is lighter on more comfortable. It lacks the amazing bass and 3D that the P is amble to convey. In my case, buying the SE was a learning mistake.

 

[yellowblue]

I was suprised how much better the P was over the SE when I heard them both from a HA200. SE was some kind flat sounding against the P.

 

[lator]

I'm wondering about the difference between the P and P-SE. I'm seeing different opinions. Some saying the P is 'much better', others that the difference is 'marginal'.
The price difference is substantial. What are your thoughts?

I own P-SE but have not heard P. In my opinion EQ is mandatory for P-SE due to over-emphasized treble region.

 

[Roasty]

go for the P because if u go SE you will forever think of the P.

 

[lator]

go for the P because if u go SE you will forever think of the P.

P-SE has it's charms too, especially being quite a bit lighter. The build quality difference is huge in favor of P though.

 

[treebug]

I'm wondering about the difference between the P and P-SE. I'm seeing different opinions. Some saying the P is 'much better', others that the difference is 'marginal'.
The price difference is substantial. What are your thoughts? (I remember seeing a good comparison in this thread but I cannot find it quickly.)

I own the P and recently tried the P-SE. The latter was nicer to wear with it having less weight (headband still uncomfortable though) but soundwise, the P has it. Much fuller sounding throughout and a better, layered and detailed soundstage and smoother treble. Wasn't as close as I‘ve read in reviews and I'm willing to put up with the extra weight for the improvement. Compared both using my HA200.

 

[MatW]

Thanks all. I guess getting a resounding endorsement of the cheaper option was too much to wish for .

 

[brams]

My vote after hearing both is for the P as well. More refined. Listening to both there is no doubt which is the higher end model. Also the aluminum cups on the P are more premium than the plastic cups on the P-Se.

The -SE will appeal to those who want a flavor of the P but with a brighter tonality at a much lower price point. Given that I believe the P could use a bit more upper midrange energy, before hearing both I thought I would prefer the -SE, but the lighter tone of the -SE stems more from a reduction in bass and a different tuning in the treble as opposed to a fix in the upper midrange.

 

[brams]

Incidentally the P sounds great from the Luxury and Precision W2-131 as well. Works well for casual listening. Not too many flagships can do the same (ie. give satisfying results from inexpensive dongles).

 

[DarginMahkum]

My vote after hearing both is for the P as well. More refined. Listening to both there is no doubt which is the higher end model. Also the aluminum cups on the P are more premium than the plastic cups on the P-Se.

The -SE will appeal to those who want a flavor of the P but with a brighter tonality at a much lower price point. Given that I believe the P could use a bit more upper midrange energy, before hearing both I thought I would prefer the -SE, but the lighter tone of the -SE stems more from a reduction in bass and a different tuning in the treble as opposed to a fix in the upper midrange.

The treble is more extended on P-SE but there's a treble peak on P that was too strong for me sometimes. I prefer the SE treble tuning to P.