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I've got a Sugden Headmaster with the RC5 remote control. I must say that considering the incredibly high build quality of the Headmaster unit, the remote control is a piece of crap. It looks like Sugden found the cheapest possible off-shore supplier and bought their cheapest possible remote. It's really flimsy black plastic, and it looks quite cheesy next to the ultra-stylish brushed aluminum amp. (By comparison, my Marantz PM-17SA preamp/integrated amp has a beautiful remote: hefty feel, nicely balanced, with a solid metal top plate and gold plated buttons.) Sugden should be ashamed of allowing such fodder into the same box with a Headmaster. But that's just a minor gripe; it's not why I'm posting this thread.
I have a functional problem with the Sugden remote. Its volume control for the Headmaster is set up as an RC5 CD player volume control rather than as a preamp volume control. The Headmaster manual describes this as a desirable feature, because it doesn't require the user to switch the remote control back and forth between CD player mode and Preamp mode every time he or she wants to adjust the volume and/or switch tracks on the CD player.
Presumably, the Sugden Bijou CD player does not have variable output volume, so this remote must work well with that player. But the CD player I have in this system, a Marantz CD-63SE, responds to RC5 commands, and it has variable output volume, such that if I adjust the Headmaster volume with the Sugden remote, it changes the volume output of the CD player at the same time. This results in creeping discrepancies between the two volumes because they adjust at different rates.
When the CD player is turned on, its volume output is at max. If I'm listening at moderate volume on the Headmaster then turn up the volume with the remote, Headmaster volume goes up, but CD player volume stays the same (because it's already at max.) If I turn down the volume with the remote, Headmaster volume goes down, AND CD player volume goes down.
This creates a few problems:
1. Decreasing the volume with the remote gives a double dose of volume reduction, and sacrifices fine increment adjustability.
2. If I then turn off the CD player, the next time I turn it back on, the Headmaster volume will be way too high relative to the CD player output.
3. If I just turn the volume back up, both go up (double dose) until the CD player maxes out, then the Headmaster keeps going. If I then turn the volume down again, both go down, but the Headmaster volume control was higher than where it started originally. Effectively, every time I turn the volume down then up again, the Headmaster volume control creeps higher and higher. Combine this with #2, and I risk the Headmaster volume being dangerously out of control. If I just leave the CD player on all the time rather than turn it off (to prevent #2), when I switch over to the PM-17SA for loudspeaker listening, the CD player volume output is too low and I have to crank it up again.
Furthermore, the upward creeping Headmaster volume control situation would amplify any noise in the system (reduced signal-to-noise ratio), although my system is quiet enough that this particular issue has not been noticeable.
I do not experience similar problems when using the Marantz system remote while listening to my speakers via the PM-17SA, because its remote volume control acts (rightfully) like a preamp volume control and does not affect the CD player's variable output. And the PM-17SA's system remote can control the CD player's other functions. (The CD player also has its own remote control, which I don't use. It has a volume control for the player, and thus suffers the same issues as the Sugden remote because the Headmaster responds to its volume commands as well.)
I think that Sugden really screwed up by choosing to make its remote preamp volume control act like a CD player instead of a preamp. If they wanted to improve convenience by eliminating the need to switch modes back-and-forth on the remote, they should have designed the remote like the Marantz system remote, wherein the volume control always adjusts the preamp volume, regardless of which device is selected for other functions. (Among remote control aficionados, this is known as volume "punch through".) The only thing I want the Sugden remote to do is control the Headmaster volume, but because the problem is with the response of the Headmaster, not just the output of the Sugden remote, I can't get around it by use of programmable or learning remotes. As it is, the Sugden remote is LESS convenient than just getting up and turning the volume control manually.
So, if you're considering the Sugden, be aware that you will encounter these problems if you have a CD player that responds to RC5 infrared commands and has variable output volume.
Anyone else experienced this problem? And if anyone can think of suggestions for how I can avoid the creeping volume situation, please contribute your two cents. (I don't need to hear "Get a new CD player." Sugden broke the rules, not Marantz, and the CD player sounds great.)
I have a functional problem with the Sugden remote. Its volume control for the Headmaster is set up as an RC5 CD player volume control rather than as a preamp volume control. The Headmaster manual describes this as a desirable feature, because it doesn't require the user to switch the remote control back and forth between CD player mode and Preamp mode every time he or she wants to adjust the volume and/or switch tracks on the CD player.
Presumably, the Sugden Bijou CD player does not have variable output volume, so this remote must work well with that player. But the CD player I have in this system, a Marantz CD-63SE, responds to RC5 commands, and it has variable output volume, such that if I adjust the Headmaster volume with the Sugden remote, it changes the volume output of the CD player at the same time. This results in creeping discrepancies between the two volumes because they adjust at different rates.
When the CD player is turned on, its volume output is at max. If I'm listening at moderate volume on the Headmaster then turn up the volume with the remote, Headmaster volume goes up, but CD player volume stays the same (because it's already at max.) If I turn down the volume with the remote, Headmaster volume goes down, AND CD player volume goes down.
This creates a few problems:
1. Decreasing the volume with the remote gives a double dose of volume reduction, and sacrifices fine increment adjustability.
2. If I then turn off the CD player, the next time I turn it back on, the Headmaster volume will be way too high relative to the CD player output.
3. If I just turn the volume back up, both go up (double dose) until the CD player maxes out, then the Headmaster keeps going. If I then turn the volume down again, both go down, but the Headmaster volume control was higher than where it started originally. Effectively, every time I turn the volume down then up again, the Headmaster volume control creeps higher and higher. Combine this with #2, and I risk the Headmaster volume being dangerously out of control. If I just leave the CD player on all the time rather than turn it off (to prevent #2), when I switch over to the PM-17SA for loudspeaker listening, the CD player volume output is too low and I have to crank it up again.
Furthermore, the upward creeping Headmaster volume control situation would amplify any noise in the system (reduced signal-to-noise ratio), although my system is quiet enough that this particular issue has not been noticeable.
I do not experience similar problems when using the Marantz system remote while listening to my speakers via the PM-17SA, because its remote volume control acts (rightfully) like a preamp volume control and does not affect the CD player's variable output. And the PM-17SA's system remote can control the CD player's other functions. (The CD player also has its own remote control, which I don't use. It has a volume control for the player, and thus suffers the same issues as the Sugden remote because the Headmaster responds to its volume commands as well.)
I think that Sugden really screwed up by choosing to make its remote preamp volume control act like a CD player instead of a preamp. If they wanted to improve convenience by eliminating the need to switch modes back-and-forth on the remote, they should have designed the remote like the Marantz system remote, wherein the volume control always adjusts the preamp volume, regardless of which device is selected for other functions. (Among remote control aficionados, this is known as volume "punch through".) The only thing I want the Sugden remote to do is control the Headmaster volume, but because the problem is with the response of the Headmaster, not just the output of the Sugden remote, I can't get around it by use of programmable or learning remotes. As it is, the Sugden remote is LESS convenient than just getting up and turning the volume control manually.
So, if you're considering the Sugden, be aware that you will encounter these problems if you have a CD player that responds to RC5 infrared commands and has variable output volume.
Anyone else experienced this problem? And if anyone can think of suggestions for how I can avoid the creeping volume situation, please contribute your two cents. (I don't need to hear "Get a new CD player." Sugden broke the rules, not Marantz, and the CD player sounds great.)