sr225--->hd600?
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I currently have sr 225 headphones. They run cds through a chaintech av 710
and an airhead. I primarily listen to rock. Is an addition of Senn HD600s a worthwhile purchase? They seem to get wonderful reviews, as did the SR225s
(which at times blow me away with their clarity)
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I do not have RS225 but I have SR80 and RS1. HD600 are great phones but IMHO Grados are better for rock. You might be wasting your money unless you also listen to electronica, jazz and/or classical music. Just my $0.02...
 
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exactly why I thought I would ask the knowlegeable.
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I have the 225 and Senn 580. For me it's nice to have both since I listen to a wide range of music, but if I was listening primarily to rock, the 225 would spend the most time on my head. The Senn 580 can be made to rock, but it takes a lot of system tuning and optimization as well as cable swaps and mods to the headphones themselves to make it work. Given how similar the 580 & 600 are, I'd say it's probably not worth it.
 
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i think its a 80% side grade , 20% upgrade. Though hd600 is technically more refined ( about 10%) , it doesn't match grado's impact. So i think its more of a side grade. imo a proper upgrade will be rs-1 and above
 
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But with the price of the HD600's being so low they are almost to cheap not to buy.
http://www.3eshops.com/default.aspx?...mID=B00079P73E
$189 is a silly price. I am getting a pair as soon as I can afford it because I know I will always be curious about how they sound and I could always sell them for that price on ebay.
 
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Hi--this is my first-ever post after at least a year of lurking on this forum. But since I happen to own both pairs of headphones, I thought I'd chime in. I got the 225s first, and thought they were a huge improvement over my previous cans (Sony V6), especially in clarity and definition. I was so impressed with the improvement that I decided to finally buy a real CD palyer and headphone amp (NAD 541i and Grado RA-1).

But I could not get the RA-1 to play at a low enough volume for reasonable listening without the balance shifting to one channel. Eventually my dealer replaced the amp with his floor model, which was a little better (but I still can't turn the volume much past 7:30 or so--is this normal?). In the meantime, though, I was curious about the HD600 and figured that as a high impedance can it would be less likely to have the volume problem (which was true--I can maybe turn the volume knob up to 8 o'clock).

Anyway, my first reaction on hearing the HD600 was disappointment--where was the detail? Upon further listening, I noticed that while it did indeed lack some of the 225's detail, it did have a bassier sound and a fuller soundstage, both of which I liked. Returning to the Grados, I would think, "Aha, the detail is back--but where's the bass?" After listening to the 225s, the 600s always seemed to lack detail, but after the 600s, the 225 sounded thin, even "tinny" in comparison. The upshot was that I could never decide which was better for very long, and was getting upgraditis.

Then I ended up making two more incremental improvements that made big positive differences in both sets of cans. The first was getting the Cardas replacement cable for the 600s. I was worried that it would be a subtle difference at best, but that was not the case at all, to my ears. Without even any break-in time, I immediately noticed a huge difference in detail. I am now firmly in the camp that feels that HD600 indeed has a "veiled" sound, but that the Cardas cord does a lot to remove it. In fact, it had almost all the detail of the 225's without losing any of the added bass and soundstage.

I had given up on the 225s entirely before reading about the different pad modifications. I tried reversing the bowls and thought it may have added some more bass, but not enough to really rival the 600s. A few months later, however, after seriously upgrading my source (but not the amp), I tried the reverse bowls on the 225s again while listening to a CD that sounds unusually murky and lifeless on the 600s (Seal's HUMAN BEINGS). And voila, not only did the extra impact of the 225s make a huge (and expected) difference, but I noticed something new about them--with the bowls reversed, they no longer had that somewhat shrill sound, but had a particularly lush midrange, particularly with vocals, guitar, piano, and wind instruments. In fact, the midrange had a "glowing" quality--perhaps it's what people refer to as "lush"?-- that just isn't there with the Senns (and that doesn't really come through with the bowls, either).

Now, I tend to use the 225s most of the time, but interestingly, the Senns with Cardas cable and the Grados with reversed bowls sound surprisingly similar, the main differences being in impact and spatial perception. I still sometimes prefer the Senns for certain modern remasters that have overemphasized treble, in which case the Grado impact can be a detriment.

Overall, I would only recommend the Senns if you were interested in their darker, more spacious sound, which actually works just fine for many rock recordings--and even then, I would strongly recommend the aftermarket cable, which makes them much less of a bargain. An interesting alternative, for what it's worth, might be the Beyer 990s,which get very little attention around here. While I don't own them, I've heard them often at a friend's, and frequently consider getting them. They have a very dark sound, with MUCH more bass than even the 600s, which sound almost anemic in comparison--on the other hand, they're even less detailed than the 600s (but not horribly so). This is almost certainly a very 'colored' presentaion, but one which can be aural nirvana for lush recordings like Bryan Ferry's, or for female vocals (the "lush" effect is not hurt by their extraordinarily soft circumaural pads, either). They don't work as well (IMHO) for more "technical" recordings, like instrumental jazz. But they're even more of an "alternative" to the Grado sound than the Senns and tend to be much less expensive, especially as they don't need an aftermarket cable.

Anyway, I've gone on far too long. I wish you the best of luck in making your decision, and hope my saga so far has been of some assistance.

Take care,

Mark
 
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thanks for your intriguing reply. when you say you reversed the bowls, are
you just "turning them inside out" or am I missing something.
 
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Yep (depending on what you mean by inside-out)--you can just take off the bowl pads, flip them around, and put them back on so that the flat side (rather than the "cupped" side) is facing your ears. If you don't like the effect, it's just as simple to just flip them back. It seems that most people on this forum prefer their Grado cans with "flat" pads (sold by forum sponsor Todd), and the reverse bowls are supposed to produce a sound somewhere in between the bowls and the flats (which I haven't used, but apparently increase the bass even more, at the expense of some detail and airiness).

You can do a forum search to read discussion on all sorts of pad modifications for Grado cans. Opinions seem to run the gamut in terms of what is the most comfortable or sounds best, but a few generalities seem to emerge. My only experience is with reversing the bowls, which has the advantage of not costing anything in terms of either money or time, and I prefer the result soundwise to the regular bowls (and don't notice much difference either way in terms of comfort). I may try some of the other pads, but I actually like the sound the way it is now, so I may be better off saving up for an RS1.

Anyway, best of luck!

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If you listen mainly to "rock", and want a can that is good for that genre, but way different than the SR225, try the Beyer dt990, or dt770. It would be a better choice than the hd600, which really excels in classicial.

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