SONY's Response

Jan 28, 2003 at 10:24 PM Post #46 of 65
Quote:

Originally posted by LamerDeluxe (tm)
And too bad about that lame response from Sony, that really doesn't do anything to help their image
frown.gif


@ Tim:
I don't know whether you have the time & energy after what you just described, but LamerDeluxe just said what I would write in just another letter to SONY. SONY Japan.
 
Jan 28, 2003 at 10:56 PM Post #47 of 65
Let's see if I can sum up all the drivel I've been posting here
smily_headphones1.gif


What we want:

- Better audio quality, both on headphone and line-out
- Possibly higher volume on both outputs mentioned
- A digital out port.

(maybe sell a version with good isolating plugs, one with good earbuds (like the MX-500) and one with no headphones)

Better audio at a reasonable price would probably mean:

- shorter battery life (8-10 hours or so)
- slightly larger casing
- shorter anti-shock time (10 seconds, not jog-proof)

(the price would be higher than the current flagship PCDP, earlier players used to cost around $400, there can still be a market for those)

So this device would have to be sold clearly as a quality audio player, otherwise nobody would want to buy it based on the limited specifications above.

Who could be targeted:

- Rich people
smily_headphones1.gif
(want to show off their expensive things)
- Business men (hotel, airplane and office use)
- Audio enthousiasts (office, mobile use, portable use at home)
- Design/Quality freaks (going for the best looking or best quality device)

What does that mean:

- A design that doesn't look out of place on a desktop (like the D-25 for instance)
- Optional infrared remote control
- Built-in backlit display
- High-quality sturdy casing made mostly out of metal or other durable materials.
- A design that looks modern and tasteful.
- Possibly a multibit delta-sigma DAC if economically possible.

How to market it:

Sell it as a "Portable home audio quality audio" or "Home quality audio on the go" device. Make sure the design looks serious and professional. Aim for the target groups mentioned above.

What's in it for Sony:

- Another audience to sell products to, possibly larger than they expect.
- Improving their image as a manufacturer of "quality audio" devices.
- Adding a flagship PCDP above the current flagship that is actually a quality device, instead of a compromise.
- Gain more interest for audio quality, means increasing the potential market for SACD (not that I like SACD
smily_headphones1.gif
)

The last point might be a serious one for Sony. Most of the people don't really seem to care about audio quality, using the cheapest, most interesting looking, or feature-rich Discman, without thinking about audio quality (many people think all CD players basically sound the same, it's digital). People use cheap headphones, often the ones they get for free with their player.

So not that many people will be interesting in SACD. They might be interested in it when it comes for free with their DVD player.
However, I do think that when a person listens to a player that sounds good, with good headphones, there's a good chance they will think about audio quality next time they are looking for an audio device.

It's a bit tricky though, as people are mostly going for MP3 capable players now. Add that capability to this player and either the price goes up, or other parts like audio quality have to be compromised.
 
Jan 28, 2003 at 11:16 PM Post #48 of 65
Lamar the sony d-905 and d-777 already have all those features. You don't catch on quick.
tongue.gif


10 hour battery life is horrible and I don't know why anyone would settle for that. Current players have 120 hour battery life off one battery so I think 40 hour battery life might be the sweet spot..

Biggie.
 
Jan 28, 2003 at 11:22 PM Post #49 of 65
Scrap the MX500s... Eurgh!

If you want a high-end sound (relatively speaking) bring back the original 'phones that came with the D777 (US Version) - MDR-A21L, or better still the MDR-A22L...

Yes, they're VITEs, but not like those horrid ones you get these days... the earlier ones actually sounded real good...

You know that Sennhesier veil that people complain about with the HD580 / HD600... I can hear a similar veil on the MX400 / MX500 after having listend to the A22Ls for 5 minutes...
smily_headphones1.gif
 
Jan 28, 2003 at 11:25 PM Post #50 of 65
Quote:

Originally posted by NotoriousBIG_PJ
Lamar the sony d-905 and d-777 already have all those features. You don't catch on quick.
tongue.gif


Thanks
smily_headphones1.gif


I don't see the d-905 and the d-777 anywhere in shops... hmmm...

Quote:

10 hour battery life is horrible and I don't know why anyone would settle for that. Current players have 120 hour battery life off one battery so I think 40 hour battery life might be the sweet spot..

Biggie.


I had a player with a 5 hour battery life (not even that in practice probably) and never had any problems with that. Just carry around some extra batteries. I prefer PCDPs using regular batteries. I don't see why I would even need 40 hour battery life, unless I got lost somewhere in the middle of nowhere for weeks or something
smily_headphones1.gif


Though probably with a rechargable batterypack, you don't have a spare one, so you want it to last forever. I'd rather go for a shorter battery life with regular batteries (of which the specs keep on improving with newer technologies) and take some extra batteries with me. I have a smart charger that will charge four 1600mAh NiMH AA's in an hour.
 
Jan 28, 2003 at 11:31 PM Post #51 of 65
Quote:

Originally posted by Duncan
Scrap the MX500s... Eurgh!

If you want a high-end sound (relatively speaking) bring back the original 'phones that came with the D777 (US Version) - MDR-A21L, or better still the MDR-A22L...

Yes, they're VITEs, but not like those horrid ones you get these days... the earlier ones actually sounded real good...

You know that Sennhesier veil that people complain about with the HD580 / HD600... I can hear a similar veil on the MX400 / MX500 after having listend to the A22Ls for 5 minutes...
smily_headphones1.gif


Yes, I know the Sennheiser veil, I used to listen to other people's Sennheisers and think they sounded a bit muffled
smily_headphones1.gif

Many people here like the MX500. Personally I think my Philips HE915 sound better and recently I noticed my Aiwa ED700 sound even better than those, when using a good source.

I don't know the A21L or A22L, first time I've heard of those. I have the 464 and 565, the 565 is nice, but not great.

I guess there's no need for Sony to supply good earbuds with current PCDPs, they will just reveal how crappy the player itself sounds
smily_headphones1.gif
 
Jan 28, 2003 at 11:31 PM Post #52 of 65
I'd also like a lid that opens not on a hinge but on a slightly offset paralellogram linkage, cants slightly upwards and presents you with the CD like a tongue sticking out at you
biggrin.gif
 
Jan 28, 2003 at 11:35 PM Post #53 of 65
Sounds like the EJ01 to me Bangraman
wink.gif


There is a place in Portsmouth (UK) that still stocks the '01...

At £180 its a bit expensive for the convienience of slot-loading though
frown.gif
 
Jan 28, 2003 at 11:43 PM Post #55 of 65
Lamer...

Here is a picture of the very uncomfortable looking MDR-A21Ls...

a21.jpg


The A22Ls look and feel a LOT more comfortable, but I can't find any pictures online...
 
Jan 28, 2003 at 11:46 PM Post #56 of 65
I want one that violently ejects the CD so you have to catch it!
smily_headphones1.gif


My Castlewood ORB removable media drive spits out it's media like that (after spinning down, wait for it... bang! there it goes!
biggrin.gif
) , pretty weird
tongue.gif
 
Jan 28, 2003 at 11:51 PM Post #57 of 65
Quote:

Originally posted by Duncan
Lamer...

Here is a picture of the very uncomfortable looking MDR-A21Ls...

a21.jpg


The A22Ls look and feel a LOT more comfortable, but I can't find any pictures online...


LOL!!!
biggrin.gif
biggrin.gif
biggrin.gif


I actually have those! They came with my D-99! (with a wired remote). 'MDR-A21', no 'L' though.

Tried them when I received the player, thought they didn't sound great (no bass) and put them away. Have to listen again then. How do you get any bass out of these things ? (not megadumbass, just any bass at all)
 
Jan 28, 2003 at 11:54 PM Post #58 of 65
I don't know if the 'L' designation means that my ones are a re-designed version of your ones?!

Either way, if you want more bass, the loop that goes over your head... push that further back, so its almost at your crown... it seems the further back you have them, the bassier they are, and the further forward they are, the more treble there is...

As I say though, the A22Ls are a lot better sounding, they have a proper moulded [ear] shape
biggrin.gif
 
Jan 29, 2003 at 12:01 AM Post #59 of 65
I guess "L" means long cable or something. Mine has a remote, maybe it's messing with the sound.

I can only use it with the D-99, because of the remote connector
frown.gif
I hear some bass, very little mids and distorted treble.

Indeed these speakers don't really fit inside your ears... fiddle... fiddle...
 
Jan 29, 2003 at 12:11 AM Post #60 of 65
Quote:

Originally posted by LamerDeluxe (tm)
I hear some bass, very little mids and distorted treble.


You're probably right about the 'L'...
smily_headphones1.gif


But, your opinion of the sound is vastly different to mine... the only explainations are either, that your pair is broken... (which would tie in with how you describe the sound) else that with their weird design to begin with, that its just a real hit and miss as to whether they sound right or not?!

Its a shame... Only you and me have the A21(L)s and yours don't seem to sound right, and only me and Redshifter have the A22Ls, but I believe that his headband is broken
frown.gif


I guess considering that they're 10 years old, that they're not doing too badly though
smily_headphones1.gif
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top