Sony MDR-Z7M2 Headphone Thread
Jun 3, 2019 at 10:19 PM Post #766 of 2,453
Do the M2s have less soundstage than the original? Listening to the test from Bert's video it seems to be less. I've seen the video before and even after listening to it a few times now I still can't decide which one I like better.
Would the sound signature of the MDR-1A be more akin to the Z7?
I haven’t heard the OG 1A but from what I hear about it, maybe.

I could be wrong but I thought the Z7 had the better soundstage of the two.
Get the Z1R...you will absolutely love them if the Z7 sound sig is for you.
Oh I know! I want one so bad, and I will have one, eventually. Maybe this year.
 
Jun 4, 2019 at 12:49 AM Post #767 of 2,453
I did too! Except I wasn’t digging the Z7M2. Especially in comparison to the 1AM2. I ended up picking up an OG Z7 used just last week. Which I adore! Hearing the original Z7 now has me curious again about the Z7M2. Not so much that I’d buy another one but I do wish I had one for comparisons sake. I just remember it sounding too distant to me.
Same case here.. Coming from 1AM2, after testing Z7M2 so many times, I decided to buy Audio-Technica MSR7B instead.. Which has forward-leaning vocals which I think Z7M2 is lacking ..
 
Jun 5, 2019 at 8:20 AM Post #768 of 2,453
Do the M2s have less soundstage than the original? Listening to the test from Bert's video it seems to be less. I've seen the video before and even after listening to it a few times now I still can't decide which one I like better.
Would the sound signature of the MDR-1A be more akin to the Z7?
I was very hot to buy the original Z7's, and I did so as soon as they were listed on Ajmazoh.
Then I bought the Kimber Kable direct from Sony.

Listened to them often with a variety of amps, etc., and I was never as satisfied with their SQ
as I thought I'd be. I was, however, knocked out by their build quality.

This time, regarding the M2's, I waited a month or so b4 buying them, but as soon as I heard them
I felt that they were definitely "keepers", at least for me. I very much liked
their sound. And that good feeling about them has continued.

To my ears the M2's have a wider and deeper soundstage than the Z71's.
Instruments and voices are located more accurately
More detalied without any stridency or other irritations.

And once again, very solidly made, albeit with a slightly different
design aesthetic and construction approach. They feel more
solidly put together than the originals.

It seems to me as well that an important part of the improvement
in SQ lies in the extensive "venting" employed in the M2's. While
not quite "semi-open" (like the Beyer DT880's, for example),
there certainly seems to be a hella lot of air moving in and or
out of those earcups.

Again, to me, the audible benefit is apparent with a simple strum
of an acoustic guitar. The decay is more realistic, more natural
than the MK1's. In fact, I find it quite thrilling - the M2's are the
first "closed" headphones that avoid the issues and problems
and limitations of just about all closed headphones. The first I've
heard, anyway. (And I have heard more than a few - like most
of us, I guess.)

Sure, Sony "opened them up" a bit with the vents; but wow
what a terrific payoff.

More, however, than the soundstage is the tremendously
Immersive nature of the listening experience. The wearing
comfort together with their accuracy, detail, soundstage
and definite lack of "closed headphone sound" - (restricted,
just busting to get out, something's "wrong", let me reach
for a set of my open back headphones to alleviate this
situation) all combine for a pretty great listening experience..

So I very much like these headphones. Very, very much.
I still reach for one of my Grado's first, but more and more
I want to listen to the Sony;s. And they are so damn
comfortable...

I heard that some have remarked on their midrange being
somewhat "distant" or recessed. And I noticed from the
outset that this had some truth to it. But it's completely
different from the recessed mids that so many cans have,
especially those with V and or U shaped tuning.

Instead, mids on the M2's are very realistically and
accurately presented. Their "recessed" sound is subtle
and really quite tasty. I think if it was any more present
the overall presentation just wouldn't work as well as it
does.

I imagine I'll post again about these as i continue listening
to them. Overall, though, I think Sony has done a really
fine job with these, and I feel that they're a most useful
additon to the ever-expanding headphone marketplace.

Cheers,
 
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Jun 5, 2019 at 8:45 AM Post #770 of 2,453
Is it worth upgrading to a kimber kable? Does it make a big difference?
One thing, that never gets mentioned, is how heavy the Kimber Kable is. It takes away from how light and comfortable the headphones are. I personally would look elsewhere. I have that cable for my, Z7's, and don't even use it.
 
Jun 5, 2019 at 8:56 AM Post #771 of 2,453
I was very hot to buy the original Z7's, and I did so as soon as they were listed on Ajmazoh.
Then I bought the Kimber Kable direct from Sony.

Listened to them often with a variety of amps, etc., and I was never as satisfied with their SQ
as I thought I'd be. I was, however, knocked out by their build quality.

I waited a month or so b4 going for the M2's, but as soon as I heard them
I felt that they were

To my ears the M2's have a wider and deeper soundstage
Instruments and voices are located more accurately
More detalied without any stridency or other irritations.

And once again, very solidly made, albeit with a slightly different
design aesthetic and construction approach. They feel more
solidly put together than the originals.

It seems to me as well that an important part of the improvement
in SQ lies in the extensive "venting" employed in the M2's. While
not quite "semi-open" (like the Beyer DT880's, for example),
there certainly seems to be a hella lot more air moving in and or
out of those earcups.

Again, to me, the audible benefit is apparent with a simple strum
of an acoustic guitar. The decay is more realistic, more natural
than the MK1's. In fact, I find it quite thrilling - the M2's are the
first "closed" headphones that avoid the issues and problems
and limitations of just about all closed headphones.

Sure, Sony "opened them up" a bit with the vents; but wow
what a terrific payoff.

More, however, than the soundstage is the tremendously
Immersive nature of the listening experience. The wearing
comfort together with their accuracy, detail, soundstage
and definite lack of "closed headphone sound" - restricted,
just busting to get out,

So I very much like these headphones. Very, very much.
I still reach for one of my Grado's first, but more and more
I want to listen to the Sony;s. And they are so damn
comfortable...

I heard that some have remarked on their midrange being
somewhat "distant" or recessed. And I noticed from the
outset that this had some truth to it. But it's completely
different from the recessed mids that so many cans have,
especially those with V and or U shaped tuning.

Instead, mids on the M2's are very realistically and
accurately presented. Their "recessed" sound is subtle
and really quite tasty. I think if it was any more present
the overall presentation just wouldn't work as well as it
does.

I imagine I'll post again about these as i continue listening
to them. Overall, though, I think Sony has done a really
fine job with these, and I feel that they're a most useful
additon to the ever-expanding headphone marketplace.

Cheers,
I can definitely back you up on the soundstage. To be fair I haven't had a chance to try open back headphones like any of the HD6 series, but when I demo'ed the Z7 some time last year I was thoroughly blown away. Soundstage was so wide it almost felt unenjoyable
 
Jun 5, 2019 at 9:08 AM Post #772 of 2,453
Great impression @zazex. I also bought the Z7 M1 immediately when it was first available on Amazon. Just like u I just don’t get the sound signature. I used silver cable to tighten the sound signature up and later did the mod to dampen the bass down and it was still too bassy for me. I waited awhile to get the Z7 MkII but I can say that I am very happy them. They can’t match my Stax SR009 in sound department but it does every thing very well for my taste so much that I don’t mind listening to it every day at work and even at home. Bass is there when the material calls for it. Mid is fine and can be tune with an upgrade cable. Soundstage size and depth are very good and the treble is relatively smooth. Note that I use an upgrade cables with mine and the Z7 M2 respond well with each cable that I have tried with them.
 
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Jun 5, 2019 at 1:27 PM Post #773 of 2,453
Great impression @zazex. I also bought the Z7 M1 immediately when it was first available on Amazon. Just like u I just don’t get the sound signature. I used silver cable to tighten the sound signature up and later did the mod to dampen the bass down and it was still too bassy for me. I waited awhile to get the Z7 MkII but I can say that I am very happy them. They can’t match my Stax SR009 in sound department but it does every thing very well for my taste so much that I don’t mind listening to it every day at work and even at home. Bass is there when the material calls for it. Mid is fine and can be tune with an upgrade cable. Soundstage size and depth are very good and the treble is relatively smooth. Note that I use an upgrade cables with mine and the Z7 M2 respond well with each cable that I have tried with them.


First - thanks for your kind words; much appreciated.

Second, and of course it's not a surprise, I strongly agree with your perceptions here.
It seems though that you felt more negatively than I about the Z7MK1.
I could and did listen to it on occasion and fouind it to be OK. But just OK.
Never exhilrating or exciting or revealing in any way. And not even
particularly isolating. Oh well, I don't feel bad about the purchase.
It seemed that every single light was green at the time - plus I could
have returned them within 30 days. I was waiting for the Kimber Kable,
though, and decided I'd keep the headphones past the return date
with the hope that the cable would help more than it actually did.
So now they hang with the other headphones on the stand, it's
something that happens with hobbies - at least in my experience -
no matter how careful or discerning one may be in one's purchases.

Third, I'm very curious about the upgraded cables you mentioned.
Are they designed (physically) to be a clone of the Sony cable?
Meaning that it fits into the proprietary jack arrangement on the
Z7M2?

If so, I'd very much like to know more about these upgraded
cables, including how one may source them from here in the US.

Especially as I feel that (without any technical evidence BTW)
that the cable may be the weakest part of these otherwise
very nice headphones.

Thanks,

JH
 
Jun 6, 2019 at 5:07 PM Post #774 of 2,453
Back to the topic, I am finding out that the Z7 M2 response very well with cable upgrades. I have made several cables for them and the Z7 M2 was able to show sonic improvements/variation from one cable to another. I *really* like the Z7 M2 and I do have some really nice setup.

Withdrawn.
 
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Jun 6, 2019 at 5:35 PM Post #775 of 2,453
Cable upgrades really made a big difference for me. Until recently, I was using some pre-owned Sony/Kimber upgrade cable that I bought on head-fi.org. The Sony/KImber is very rich and smooth sounding; a really pleasant sound. Then I switched to a Cardas Gravedigger cable that I had stashed away and my M2's sound better than ever.

Your positive comments on Sony/Kimber are very helpful,
as are those on the Cardas (whose products I like in general).

Thanks
 
Jun 7, 2019 at 5:30 AM Post #776 of 2,453
Same case here.. Coming from 1AM2, after testing Z7M2 so many times, I decided to buy Audio-Technica MSR7B instead.. Which has forward-leaning vocals which I think Z7M2 is lacking ..
FWIW I had a customer come into our store to audition the msr7b and z7mk2 both 4.4 balanced out of the wm1a and he said it wasn't even close. He went for the Sony. This is at our current price of $649 aud for the Sony.
 
Jun 10, 2019 at 1:40 AM Post #777 of 2,453
Hi all,

I'm considering upgrading from my trusty MDR-1ADACs due to their battery life getting less by the day.

Can anyone recommend the best DAC to pair these with? I'm assuming the PHA-2A but would appreciate any other suggestions. I already have a Dragonfly Red, but am not sure if it would be up to the job here.

I'm also a fan of listening to Tidal, especially the MQA tracks. A DAC with MQA would be a great suggestion too.

Thanks in advance

Richard
 
Jun 10, 2019 at 1:55 AM Post #778 of 2,453
Hi all,

I'm considering upgrading from my trusty MDR-1ADACs due to their battery life getting less by the day.

Can anyone recommend the best DAC to pair these with? I'm assuming the PHA-2A but would appreciate any other suggestions. I already have a Dragonfly Red, but am not sure if it would be up to the job here.

I'm also a fan of listening to Tidal, especially the MQA tracks. A DAC with MQA would be a great suggestion too.

Thanks in advance

Richard
I don't have much experience with DACs but if you want something portable that supports 4.4 balanced I heard the Q5s is good. I don't think it's released yet though, not until August I believe
 
Jun 17, 2019 at 7:09 AM Post #780 of 2,453
Great impression @zazex. I also bought the Z7 M1 immediately when it was first available on Amazon. Just like u I just don’t get the sound signature. I used silver cable to tighten the sound signature up and later did the mod to dampen the bass down and it was still too bassy for me. I waited awhile to get the Z7 MkII but I can say that I am very happy them. They can’t match my Stax SR009 in sound department but it does every thing very well for my taste so much that I don’t mind listening to it every day at work and even at home. Bass is there when the material calls for it. Mid is fine and can be tune with an upgrade cable. Soundstage size and depth are very good and the treble is relatively smooth. Note that I use an upgrade cables with mine and the Z7 M2 respond well with each cable that I have tried with them.

It is great to have listening impressions from member purk who owns both the Z7 M2 and the wonderful Stax SR009.

If there are any Z7 M2 owners who also own the Verum 1 planars, what are your impressions of both headphones?
 

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