People haven't liked it when I've said this of late, but I'll risk it again in the service of opening things up.
The problem with certain exchanges on this thread is this: one's history in a scene shouldn't be seen as de facto credibility. A better resumé is never proof one's ideas are better.
The problem with privileging one's own background is that it tends to make other people feel unwelcome. Individuals who might have conveyed their excitement over some fresh piece of music refrain instead because they don't want to be dissed; because they're afraid of being told they're too amateurish to be allowed to express joy.
Yes, I've been listening to (and, occasionally, programming) jungle for over a decade. Yah, yah, I could share my quirky opinion with the rest of you about the practice of privileging genre labels over articulate descriptions of music itself, but why should I do that when lots of other people find genre labels useful? I'd rather not be dismissive, discouraging, elitist or unfriendly.
No individual opinion, however well researched, is more worthy than anyone else's. No one should feel shy about posting on this thread -- especially not people who discovered jungle last week.
No point in unzipping our pants and waving our resumés in people's faces. The point is to keep the hearth fire going, to get friends to add splinters and chunks.
When American composer Roy Harris heard Chopin for the first time, he said, "Hats off, gentlemen -- a genius!" The music professors to whom he said this smiled at the time, since Chopin was old hat to them. But they said nothing discouraging to Harris because they respected his honest enthusiasm.
Today, we know Harris and his quote but next to nothing about his teachers, which is testament to enthusiasm trumping credentials. The one response I recall is Arthur Farwell's later assessment of Harris: "Gentleman, a genius, but keep your hats on!"
Music appreciation isn't about the slang you use, the names you drop or the scenes you've experienced. It's about the focus and intensity you bring to music in real time. Let's hope this thread maintains a state of constant enthusiasm. Let's hope more people will be encouraged to post their links and impressions.
Thelonius:
The little I've heard of Limewax has sounded promising, especially since he produced some of it at age 17. I hadn't really thought of him as dark: Though his tracks with Dylan are unusually grim and propulsive, he also seems eclectic and prone to silly moods. I'm not sure why I find "God" funny, but I do.
It seems to me there's always been a war (or dialogue) between the utopian and the dystopian in jungle. Heaven and hell set in the future: different continents, different strategies.
Matt and Illah: Thanks again for the links.